PMO, Karma, and Life's Energy

[Batty Belfry]

I started to notice a pattern when I use PMO. After one early morning of PMO, I drive to work and my client is 20 minutes late. I call and they tell me they forgot. Before I go to my second job the next day, I get an email about an afternoon cancelation the night before. When I show up for just my morning shift, my coworkers don't address or look at me.

At times, my voice does not get heard and more than usual since I am soft-spoken. I feel opportunities or connections in my life dwindle away or go amiss because of my decision to use PMO. I am thinking this pattern could be karmic, a lesson I need to learn in order to keep my life from becoming or staying unfortunate.

After PMO, my mind at times feels like a gyroscope slowly rolling through a fog. It's not that I use PMO daily, it's not that I'm dependent or addicted either, I have gone months without it. In these moments of temptation, desperation, or lust, I get a little stir crazy or get excited about women I meet or talk to and bring on the cycle of this pattern. This usually happens around 100 days. I don't necessarily feel guilty as I know that my use of PMO is not known to the people I interact with. A part of me feels that they can see something is off-kilter sometimes.

I could be projecting how I feel onto others, thinking the worse and therefore receiving the worse. I should get out of my head and take better actions for myself. I understand that PMO is a danger I can avoid. I'm just wondering if anyone else has had experience with this pattern in any way and what you have done to fight it.

 

[Deleted Account]

Some of that rings true with me as well. There is a negative cloud it causes people to respond negatively to you.
It could be a fog of shame or all paranoia or depression. Pmo causes us to feel bad things about us that others sense as well.

 

[OrganizeInformed]

The question of karma framed as good or bad is not helpful, it is more helpful to ask what the karma is or consists of.

With PMO we know there's the brain fog, so both during and after you are in a kind of altered state of mind. This alone can account for a lot.

Also of course one episode is not as significant as long term use and repetitive behavior, though a person can be at a point with relatively long streaks the length of time doesn't address the dimensions of breadth and depth, and really any addictive or compulsive behavior has an element of depth to it, and when using the word karma it would traditionally imply that.

 

[Batty Belfry]

@Drambuie and @OrganizeInformed Would you both agree with the idea that our thoughts become things or what we think shapes or will misshapen the world?

I do not think PMO and unfortunate events are completely coincidental or completely related. But I filter the negative and feed on the positive, as I am spiritual and religious, while remaining realistic. For example, I will listen to my favorite music or podcasts in the car rather than drive in silence and risk frustration with traffic or my own thoughts turning negative. Sometimes, I will seek isolation to heal; other times, I will talk to family, friends, or forum members like yourselves. I think the psychological toll here can turn into a physical pitfall as both psychological and physical inform each other, become each other, in a vicious cycle of debauchery and discipline.

 

[desmond3]

I started to notice a pattern when I use PMO. After one early morning of PMO, I drive to work and my client is 20 minutes late. I call and they tell me they forgot. Before I go to my second job the next day, I get an email about an afternoon cancelation the night before. When I show up for just my morning shift, my coworkers don't address or look at me.

At times, my voice does not get heard and more than usual since I am soft-spoken. I feel opportunities or connections in my life dwindle away or go amiss because of my decision to use PMO. I am thinking this pattern could be karmic, a lesson I need to learn in order to keep my life from becoming or staying unfortunate.

After PMO, my mind at times feels like a gyroscope slowly rolling through a fog. It's not that I use PMO daily, it's not that I'm dependent or addicted either, I have gone months without it. In these moments of temptation, desperation, or lust, I get a little stir crazy or get excited about women I meet or talk to and bring on the cycle of this pattern. This usually happens around 100 days. I don't necessarily feel guilty as I know that my use of PMO is not known to the people I interact with. A part of me feels that they can see something is off-kilter sometimes.

I could be projecting how I feel onto others, thinking the worse and therefore receiving the worse. I should get out of my head and take better actions for myself. I understand that PMO is a danger I can avoid. I'm just wondering if anyone else has had experience with this pattern in any way and what you have done to fight it.

I also have a feeling that misfortune tend to happen more frequently when I indulge in my addictions. For example, people treating me negatively, police officers think I am suspicious and check my ID card, or my parents suddenly start quarreling right after I masturbate. I believe there is a karmic factor with PMO. However, there may also be factors that are more obvious, e.g. lower energy level leading to overall performance decline in life.

Whatever the reason is, I am certain that sex addiction can cause bad things to happen more likely.

 

[OrganizeInformed]

Would you both agree with the idea that our thoughts become things or what we think shapes or will misshapen the world?

The question is what it becomes, and what part it plays in some event. It can be very subtle, like the thoughts from PMO may be there in the background even if someone didn't full on relapse. Of course sometimes things are obviously a mess but it would be more helpful to look at it more closely before it gets to that point.

 

[Usersamedame]

I started to notice a pattern when I use PMO. After one early morning of PMO, I drive to work and my client is 20 minutes late. I call and they tell me they forgot. Before I go to my second job the next day, I get an email about an afternoon cancelation the night before. When I show up for just my morning shift, my coworkers don't address or look at me.

At times, my voice does not get heard and more than usual since I am soft-spoken. I feel opportunities or connections in my life dwindle away or go amiss because of my decision to use PMO. I am thinking this pattern could be karmic, a lesson I need to learn in order to keep my life from becoming or staying unfortunate.

After PMO, my mind at times feels like a gyroscope slowly rolling through a fog. It's not that I use PMO daily, it's not that I'm dependent or addicted either, I have gone months without it. In these moments of temptation, desperation, or lust, I get a little stir crazy or get excited about women I meet or talk to and bring on the cycle of this pattern. This usually happens around 100 days. I don't necessarily feel guilty as I know that my use of PMO is not known to the people I interact with. A part of me feels that they can see something is off-kilter sometimes.

I could be projecting how I feel onto others, thinking the worse and therefore receiving the worse. I should get out of my head and take better actions for myself. I understand that PMO is a danger I can avoid. I'm just wondering if anyone else has had experience with this pattern in any way and what you have done to fight it.

just my pet peeve, PMO doesn't create bad karma because karma is superstitious nonsense. Your answers also contradict your questions.

 

[Usersamedame]

I also have a feeling that misfortune tend to happen more frequently when I indulge in my addictions. For example, people treating me negatively, police officers think I am suspicious and check my ID card, or my parents suddenly start quarreling right after I masturbate. I believe there is a karmic factor with PMO. However, there may also be factors that are more obvious, e.g. lower energy level leading to overall performance decline in life.

Whatever the reason is, I am certain that sex addiction can cause bad things to happen more likely.

this is clear paranoia, thinking everyone's against you. Sorry but I don't believe in karma.

 

[mentorr]

In theory it is simple.

Karma is essentially 'cause and effect'. If I press the brake on my car [CAUSE], the car will stop [EFFECT]. If I place my hand on a stove [CAUSE], my hand will be burnt by the heat [EFFECT]. It is a universal law that is so obvious that we miss it. But karma does not have a direct effect on why you feel low after PMO. That is something slightly different.

To understand why you feel so low after PMO, it helps to understand the basic principles of energy. We each hold an energetic value. Every single one of us needs energy to function. The best way to understand is with the following example:

Imagine a computer game where your character has a magic bar, or even a stamina bar. (think Dark Souls, Street Fighter, Final Fantasy, Zelda etc.) You need that stamina bar (or magic bar) to perform key actions, moves or attacks to progress through the game. Without that bar, you will struggle to move through the game and most of all it will not be very enjoyable. As humans we work in this very exact way, except we use energy.

When you PMO, you not only deplete your energy level, you lower the quality of people, objects and events your energy can attract into your life. The key feature of energy is that it attracts like for like. Imagine you wake up tomorrow morning, and your energy level is HAPPY. You feel great and you are ready to start your day. You get out of bed, get into the shower and then decide to PMO. Your mood suddenly drops to CONTENT. You don't feel as great as you did, but you don't feel too bad. Just 'meh'. You then start your day at work, and the manager tells you that you cannot book the holiday dates you requested. It's not the end of the world, but you decide to go home and PMO to feel better. Only your mood now drops to ANXIOUS. You call your girlfriend and tell her that your boss won't let you book the dates for the holiday. She begins to moan and complain that you booked it too late, causing your mood to drop even more. Do you see where this is going.

So karma does somewhat play a part in the action of PMO, but not in the way that you think. You PMO, and it costs you in the form of energy. The loss of energy costs you in the quality of interactions/opportunities you are able to experience. You noticing the poorer level interactions, is simply you noticing the energy exchange of PMO.

Those who believe karma (or cause and effect) is not real, without being able to provide a logical explanation as to why, simply display a lack of critical thinking and common sense. And in all honesty, that is fine. It takes a good level of curiosity, speculation and logic to even come close to this theory, so hats off to you @Batty Belfry !

 

[Deleted Account]

Pmo attract bad things in life.

 

[Icewarrior]

@Drambuie and @OrganizeInformed Would you both agree with the idea that our thoughts become things or what we think shapes or will misshapen the world?

I do not think PMO and unfortunate events are completely coincidental or completely related. But I filter the negative and feed on the positive, as I am spiritual and religious, while remaining realistic. For example, I will listen to my favorite music or podcasts in the car rather than drive in silence and risk frustration with traffic or my own thoughts turning negative. Sometimes, I will seek isolation to heal; other times, I will talk to family, friends, or forum members like yourselves. I think the psychological toll here can turn into a physical pitfall as both psychological and physical inform each other, become each other, in a vicious cycle of debauchery and discipline.

What we identify with, or in other words, what we feel to be true ,whether consciously or unconsciously ,embodies itself in our world.

 

[Freeddom_Taker]

We are all connected in this cosmos. I think when we pmo especially heavily, we vibrate low compared to other people. Opportunity become slim, people seem to avoid you. Whereas on good streak it's the opposite effect.

I consider myself good looking. And when I'm on good streak, no chemical imbalance or hormones, I've noticed females keep looking at me. Some smiling or treating me good compared before.

 

[thikk]

I don't think it's karma, but we do get anxiety and lose confidence in ourselves a lot when we use pmo. The feelings of self-loathing and disgust that we get after engaging in pmo subconsciously make us feel worse, and in a way we start avoiding people. People react to you the way you present yourself, that's why the more social and cheerful people get promotions and have more friends. People are attracted to them, if we seem off (which we often are when we don't have motivation and just want to go back home to pmo) it reflects on people and they move away.

Couple these with brain fog and lack of concentration etc, we start feeling inadequate in work and academics too as our performance slows down. This is the dangerous part because we may stagnate, and if in a high pressure job things could go very wrong.

So I don't think it's karma, pmo addictions affects out lives in a manner that we often cannot discern. Just get rid of the addiction and make a deliberate effort to create a balanced life e.g. try being more social, working on your career goals etc and things improve drastically within half a year.

 

[Batty Belfry]

When you PMO, you not only deplete your energy level, you lower the quality of people, objects and events your energy can attract into your life. The key feature of energy is that it attracts like for like

@mentorr Energy taking on these different levels and manifestations is what I have noticed. The situations you described are not unlike the ones I've experienced. Cause and effect here definitely applies and the remedy or logical solution is to counteract and eliminate PMO from any situations, both in my control and out of my control.

@thikk The cycle of attachment and detachment is constant under PMO. The negative effects can make us complacent if we let it. You're right, we need to remove the old or destructive if we want to make room for the new or better in our lives.

 

[OrganizeInformed]

The problem is in the West people have come to think of karma as this cosmic justice thing, there was even a show based on that premise, My Name Is Earl. Like a lot of things that gets co-opted people commonly assume the popular, common misunderstanding is what it means but it's not even what is originally meant. Saying there's 'bad' karma is like saying there's bad computers and bad cars, both work on the basis of cause and effect and the bad result is a complex interaction of how it was used. Just PMO in itself involves three things, not to mention the complex mental and physical mechanisms. At a certain point generalization is too general to be meaningful.

 

[Positive path]

In theory it is simple.

Karma is essentially 'cause and effect'. If I press the brake on my car [CAUSE], the car will stop [EFFECT]. If I place my hand on a stove [CAUSE], my hand will be burnt by the heat [EFFECT]. It is a universal law that is so obvious that we miss it. But karma does not have a direct effect on why you feel low after PMO. That is something slightly different.

To understand why you feel so low after PMO, it helps to understand the basic principles of energy. We each hold an energetic value. Every single one of us needs energy to function. The best way to understand is with the following example:

Imagine a computer game where your character has a magic bar, or even a stamina bar. (think Dark Souls, Street Fighter, Final Fantasy, Zelda etc.) You need that stamina bar (or magic bar) to perform key actions, moves or attacks to progress through the game. Without that bar, you will struggle to move through the game and most of all it will not be very enjoyable. As humans we work in this very exact way, except we use energy.

When you PMO, you not only deplete your energy level, you lower the quality of people, objects and events your energy can attract into your life. The key feature of energy is that it attracts like for like. Imagine you wake up tomorrow morning, and your energy level is HAPPY. You feel great and you are ready to start your day. You get out of bed, get into the shower and then decide to PMO. Your mood suddenly drops to CONTENT. You don't feel as great as you did, but you don't feel too bad. Just 'meh'. You then start your day at work, and the manager tells you that you cannot book the holiday dates you requested. It's not the end of the world, but you decide to go home and PMO to feel better. Only your mood now drops to ANXIOUS. You call your girlfriend and tell her that your boss won't let you book the dates for the holiday. She begins to moan and complain that you booked it too late, causing your mood to drop even more. Do you see where this is going.

So karma does somewhat play a part in the action of PMO, but not in the way that you think. You PMO, and it costs you in the form of energy. The loss of energy costs you in the quality of interactions/opportunities you are able to experience. You noticing the poorer level interactions, is simply you noticing the energy exchange of PMO.

Those who believe karma (or cause and effect) is not real, without being able to provide a logical explanation as to why, simply display a lack of critical thinking and common sense. And in all honesty, that is fine. It takes a good level of curiosity, speculation and logic to even come close to this theory, so hats off to you @Batty Belfry !

Excellent definition

 

[Positive path]

We are all connected in this cosmos. I think when we pmo especially heavily, we vibrate low compared to other people. Opportunity become slim, people seem to avoid you. Whereas on good streak it's the opposite effect.

I consider myself good looking. And when I'm on good streak, no chemical imbalance or hormones, I've noticed females keep looking at me. Some smiling or treating me good compared before.

I can absolutely relate to this