POLL: Should NoFap have a forum section for faith / spirituality discussion?

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Should NoFap have a forum section for faith / spirituality discussion?

  1. Yes

    26 vote(s)
  2. Nope

    19 vote(s)
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  1. ivanhoe

    ivanhoe Fapstronaut

    so why should it be separated out from other things that help? As long as it is a part of the topic on hand? I can understand off topic posts, of any kind, being in separate parts, but not if it's part of someones holistic reboot toolkit...to not allow it, singles it out for exclusion.
  2. ivanhoe

    ivanhoe Fapstronaut

    funny you claim scientist were christian because they had to appease society but when the evidence is clear that hitler was going exactly that you ignore it.

    "Hitler said he anticipated a coming collapse of Christianity in the wake of scientific advances, and that Nazism and religion could not co-exist long term.[36] He said he would destroy the churches when the war was over.[37][38][39][40]"

    After leaving home at age 18, Hitler never attended Church again.[9] Rees and various Hitler historians find no evidence that Hitler, in his personal life ever expressed belief in the basic tenets of the Christian faith.[10] Goebbels wrote in April 1941 that though Hitler was "a fierce opponent" of the Vatican and Christianity, "he forbids me to leave the church. For tactical reasons."[11] Speer believed that Hitler had remained in the Catholic church until his suicide, though considered he had "no attachment" to it and planned a "reckoning" after the war.[12][13][14] In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf (1925-7), he refers to "God", "the Creator" and "Providence".[15][16] The book outlines a nihilistic, social darwinist vision of history as a constant struggle for racial survival.[17] It criticizes the churches for failing to appreciate the "racial problem" and advocates separation of church and state.[18][19] As a politician in the 1920s, Hitler presented the phrase "Positive Christianity" as an acceptable brand of Christianity, provided it did not offend Nazi ideology.[20] Steigmann-Gall sees an "inner logic" to such terminology but notes that historians generally consider its use to be a tactical ploy.
  3. Fap_Doc

    Fap_Doc Guest

    a)Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

    b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

    c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

    d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

    e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.

    f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgment of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party

    g) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition.

    Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.” (If you would like to know more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get a book titled: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)

    h) Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would implement its teachings: “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.” –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.” -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism
  4. ivanhoe

    ivanhoe Fapstronaut

    Guess where the forerunner of the nazi party was formed? here's a hint...Ernst Röhm based the nsa on a pre-christian ultra macho (hence the uniforms) man-boy homosexual structure not unlike some pagan greek cultures.. they in fact hated Christianity because it saw homosexuality as sinful.
    Outlawing abortion would also tie into eugenics, german birth rates... but you forgot to mention he also advocating euthanizing retards and physically disabled... which of course, is against church policy..

    And you ignore all the historical evidence i posted.. interesting...
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  5. ivanhoe

    ivanhoe Fapstronaut

    are you going to answer this question, sweetheart?
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  6. ivanhoe

    ivanhoe Fapstronaut

    @fap Doc
    so therefore, since Hitler= you also think that since Atheist beliefs directly resulted in the murder of clergy, peasants and the destruction of churches, that atheists are evil.

    Again, I want you answer this question, are you saying that Christianity is responsible for slavery?
  7. MyNameIsX

    MyNameIsX Fapstronaut

    @ivanhoe I think its worth pointing out that some of the largest engineering projects throughout human history have been religious structures, which definitely advanced science and technology at the time. Cathedrals and pyramids are still among our largest, most complex, precisely built buildings we have.

    Then there's all the religious wars advancing science and technology. Many advances in medicine and metallurgy came about at these times.

    One of the reasons the printing press was invented was to more easily manufacture and distribute religious texts, being the primary form of literature at the time.
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  8. ivanhoe

    ivanhoe Fapstronaut

    I fully acknowledge that people have done wrong in the name of Christianity, and in Religion. My "friends' on this thread, however, conflate all religion to be evil, 'science' as some pure faith, and assign blame to religion where there is none or there is an only casual relationship.

    Fap Doc, who claims to speak 4 or 5 languages and 'fought' in two wars, apparently thinks all religion is the same so Amish=Isis=Hitler=Mother Theresa, and again, based on his posts, assigns the existence of slavery to Christianity. Most rational atheists would acknowledge that in fact, the abolitionist movement was led by Christians based on Christian belief.

    He also conflates geopolitical conflict to religion - no one with even an inkling of knowledge of middle east conflict would do so... but there we are...
  9. ivanhoe

    ivanhoe Fapstronaut

    nope. Your original claim was that those scientists were religious in name only, you wrote:

    You clearly were completely ignorant of these scientists personal beliefs, yet you went on to make this absolute statement - warping reality to match your ideology. THAT is the mark of a fanatic.
  10. stygian

    stygian Fapstronaut

    I'd like to know whether Christianity was responsible for slavery.

    But to the original question, I think there should be a forum for religious/spiritual discussion, because if those threads are in the general forum, they are going to offend some individuals, especially if there is proselytizing. But there would likely need to be multiple sub-forums, because people of each religion may not want to be in the same forum as a different religion.
  11. Prov2611

    Prov2611 Fapstronaut

    Science does nothing on its own; religion does nothing on its own. An argument about Hitler's beliefs will end nowhere. One will find that science has no way to condemn his actions, however. Religion claims moral authority to do so and may do so.

    I would submit there is no morality that is not arbitrary in some degree without a Creator, so why would the atheist even argue what Hitler was or was not if he could do no wrong? It's no longer compelling to use a person to prove a point. The religious person could well argue Hitler must obviously be "other" because of his practices - he can be judged in some light by his fruit.

    The human brain has given me the computer on which I type currently - the human brain exercises the practice of science and it exercises the practice of religion. Whom or what created the human brain is more relevant to a discourse on science and religion. Frankly, in large, science and religion don't contradict. They do both make people angry though.

    I voted for having a religious section.
  12. ivanhoe

    ivanhoe Fapstronaut

    Agreed. Hitler was also an environmentalist and vegetarian - these things he did practice in personal life, unlike Christian belief, which he did not...... therefore these things are evil?
    One German that clearly did act on Christian belief was Dietrich Bonhoeffer... of course our resident 5 language scholar ignores it.
  13. ivanhoe

    ivanhoe Fapstronaut

    I agree on proselytizing, but what if belief and practice was a part of a reboot and transformation, why is this 'tool' not allowed in the general discussion?
  14. Fap_Doc

    Fap_Doc Guest

    But you agree that Hitler was indeed christian right? I mean you'd be stupid if you believe otherwise after reading all that factual information I posted.
  15. Fap_Doc

    Fap_Doc Guest

    Hey stop talking about me to your friends. You can address me directly. Don't be a coward. and please calm down. Why are you so angry? Ran out of weed?
  16. Fap_Doc

    Fap_Doc Guest

    So much anger. Sheesh
  17. Fap_Doc

    Fap_Doc Guest

    Easy now. Don't attack the children. He might be 14 but at least he's suffering from the god delusion.
  18. IggyIshness

    IggyIshness Fapstronaut

    You think i g.. Anyways you are right i did my research
  19. Fap_Doc

    Fap_Doc Guest

    I didn't fight. I was a medic. But everybody is referred to as a "soldier" and will fight if that is needed.
    What are you going to claim next? Bin laden wasn't religious? ISIS and the KKK aren't religiously motivated?
  20. Buzz Lightyear

    Buzz Lightyear Fapstronaut

    Religion is not the problem. Science is not the problem. The problem is, and always was, fanaticism. You will find fanatics of every breed today. What's breaking down is a liberal and tolerant spirit of mind, which does not bode too well for the future.
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