POLL: Should NoFap have a forum section for faith / spirituality discussion?

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Should NoFap have a forum section for faith / spirituality discussion?

  1. Yes

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  2. Nope

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  1. I didn't vote since I don't mind if we do or don't. I suppose the advantage of having such a section is that people who have an interest in such discussions will easily find them. Equally it will be beneficial for someone wants to avoid such discussions as they will know where the such threads are. The trouble with faith/spirituality being in the general section they might not get seen by people who would be interested in them.
     
  2. stygian

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    I think it depends on how far the discussion goes. If it is solely about religion, then would seem better suited to another section, and posts in which one is encouraging others based on religion. But if one is mentioning religious ideas in the context of a reboot and transformation, then it would be okay.
     
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  3. Prov2611

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    He's not. One must follow Christ to be a Christian. It's definitional, really. And pointless to digress upon - what's the point of this line? Or this argument?

    well, I suppose inflaming people is an intrinsic motivation for some. Dietrich Bonhoeffer! Cool reference above. very good writings on the principle of "cheap grace" - we don't agree completely theologically, but DB has good thoughts. I'd recommend a read of his book.

    A book club! Now there's an idea!
     
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  4. Fap_Doc

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    Oh please, Hitler wasn't christian because he was bad?? By this definition, nobody follows the word of christ and there are no real christians. If religion teaches anything it's how to become a real hypocrite. That's consistent with all religions, especially you christians. A fact observed and confirmed by many.
     
  5. Prov2611

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    Since we're defining terms, I'm going to take some liberty here and wax religious. The Bible is the source for defining what a Christian is, so it only makes sense to reference it. I can't speak for "you Christians" - that being said, Jesus himself argues that there will be those that claim to know him that do not. Matthew 7:21-23 would be a strong case maker for this. I'm also not stating one has to be perfect to be a Christian- in fact, 1 John 1:8 would support the claim that no Christian is perfect on her/his own. God calls us to perfection, and what we lack is made up for by Christ for those who follow after Him (1 John 2:1-6) once we have been believed (Mark 16:16), repented (Acts 2:38), confessed (Romans 10:9), and been baptized (1 Peter 3:21).

    I'll leave it there. I think the Bible is adequate to define what a Christian is or is not. Those who murder many without seeking forgiveness are, in fact, condemned by the same Bible (Romans 1:29-32).
     
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  6. Fap_Doc

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    Only in the new bible though right? Because the old God ordered killings and carried out killings himself on a mass scale:

    1. The Flood (Genesis 6-8)
    2. The cities of the plain, including Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18-19)
    3. The Egyptian firstborn sons during the Passover (Exodus 11-12)
    4. The Canaanites under Moses and Joshua (Numbers 21:2-3; Deuteronomy 20:17; Joshua 6:17, 21)
    5. The Amalekites annihilated by Saul (1 Samuel 15)
     
  7. Buzz Lightyear

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    Yes, ground zero is death and destruction for the human race. It provides the context within which theological concepts such as salvation/ redemption might make sense.
     
  8. stygian

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    I was actually just thinking about this issue. I have not found any reasonable explanations for these orderings of mass executions (sometimes without any given provocation or cause) by God. The most logical possibility seems to be that someone wanted the land and claimed that God ordered it. Is there any other explanation? If you were there, would you have gone out and committed these acts? What are you going to say to the people being killed, before it happens, when they ask why you are doing this? Let's exclude those circumstances where it was ostensibly due to sin or some crime. How is it different to what ISIS is doing today, and saying that it is commanded by God (including accounts by people who escaped and said that this is what they were being told)?
     
  9. iWILL123

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    No. There are plenty of websites to discuss faith on the internet. NoFap needs to focus on what the purpose of this website is and that is to help PMO addicts.
     
  10. Fap_Doc

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    or from what the Nazis did to Jews. Religion is undoubtedly the best tool to brainwash people. christians are either unaware of the old testament or have learnt to block it out.
     
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  11. ivanhoe

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    and this is what is often 'banned'... that's my point. For example, I was thinking of this 'journey' reminded me of the greek myth of Orpheus in the underworld. that one must have faith and 'not look back'.
    it's perfectly ok to post that, but if say that the gospels say he who sins is a slave to sin, or he who puts his hand on the plough and looks back is not fit for the kingdom of God it is 'not allowed'...is that fair or even helpful?
     
  12. ivanhoe

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    Please take the time, and I do not mean this as an insult, but please take the time to read up on the long, complex histories of the middle east and reconstruction south. In short, no, they are mostly ethnically motivated as most all conflict in the world is.

    Richard Dawkins famously said this:
    “Imagine no suicide bombers, no 9/11, no 7/7, no Crusades, no witch hunts, no Gunpowder Plot, no Indian partition, no Israeli/Palestinian wars, no Serb/Croat/Muslim massacres, no persecution of Jews as ‘Christ-killers,’ no Northern Ireland ‘troubles,’ no ‘honor killings

    And was rightly ridiculed by political scientists across the political spectrum. To anyone who's done even a smattering of reading on say, Northern Ireland, it appears as ignorant as new earth creationists would be to a geologist.
     
  13. ivanhoe

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    I posted information that clearly proved that there is no indication that he was personally a believing christian, in fact all his personal beliefs were the exact opposite. . Again you seem to know nothing about the context of those quotes or the context of the time.
     
  14. ivanhoe

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    so you are not going to answer the question.
    So I will assume your original assertion stands that you think Christianity is responsible for slavery. Extraordinary.
     
  15. ivanhoe

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    I am curious. *If* Hitler was a Christian, what exactly do you think that proves?
    Is this just one big Goodwins Law argument?
     
  16. Fap_Doc

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    Mass killings are carried out in the name of god: ISIS and the Holocaust are just examples. I'm pretty sure ISIS aren't "real" muslims and the massacres commited by people mentioned in the old testament weren't "real" christians but they all followed the word of god and truly believed that what they were doing is a direct or indirect order from god himself. Just like Hitler did. He said his movement was a christian movement. You choose not to believe that that's your choice. Just like you can choose to ignore your own bible and pretend those killings your god ordered didn't happen. From your bible:
    1. The Flood (Genesis 6-8)
    2. The cities of the plain, including Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18-19)
    3. The Egyptian firstborn sons during the Passover (Exodus 11-12)
    4. The Canaanites under Moses and Joshua (Numbers 21:2-3; Deuteronomy 20:17; Joshua 6:17, 21)
    5. The Amalekites annihilated by Saul (1 Samuel 15)
     
  17. Fap_Doc

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    I will answer it as soon as we agree that religion is NOT peaceful, Hitler was christian, and the god you worship is a blood-thirsty monster as outlined in your own holy book. I provided references which you can google and read.
     
  18. Fap_Doc

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    The anti-Semitism of the new movement (Christian Social movement)
    was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]

    I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty
    Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work.


    [Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]

    I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the
    character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has
    never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred
    years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its
    amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been
    rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be
    built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or
    irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long
    as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it.


    [Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40]

    My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
    fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
    by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
    summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest
    not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian
    and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord
    at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the
    Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight
    against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with
    deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact
    that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As
    a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have
    the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is
    anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is
    the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty
    to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and
    work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only
    for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning
    and see these men standing in their queues and look into their
    pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very
    devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two
    thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people
    are plundered and exposed.”


    [Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich on April 12, 1922, countering a
    political opponent, Count Lerchenfeld, who opposed antisemitism on
    his personal Christian feelings. Published in “My New Order”, quoted
    in Freethought Today April 1990]

    “I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of
    the Almighty Creator.


    [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 46]

    “What we have to fight for…is the freedom and independence of the
    fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission
    assigned to it by the Creator.”


    [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 125]

    “This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the
    practical existence of a religious belief.”


    [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.152]

    “And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his
    estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove
    those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God.”


    [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.174]

    “Catholics and Protestants are fighting with one another… while the
    enemy of Aryan humanity and all Christendom is laughing up his sleeve.”


    [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.309]

    “I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so”

    [Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

    “Any violence which does not spring from a spiritual base, will be
    wavering and uncertain. It lacks the stability which can only rest in
    a fanatical outlook.”


    [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, p. 171]

    “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn
    splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the
    abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my
    father, the highest and most desirable ideal.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 1]

    “I was not in agreement with the sharp anti-Semitic tone, but from
    time to time I read arguments which gave me some food for thought. At
    all events, these occasions slowly made me acquainted with the man
    and the movement, which in those days guided Vienna’s destinies: Dr.
    Karl Lueger and the Christian Social Party.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 2]

    “…the unprecedented rise of the Christian Social Party… was to
    assume the deepest significance for me as a classical object of study.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]

    “As long as leadership from above was not lacking, the people
    fulfilled their duty and obligation overwhelmingly. Whether
    Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly
    at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single
    holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to
    his own heaven.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]

    “Political parties has nothing to do with religious problems, as long
    as these are not alien to the nation, undermining the morals and
    ethics of the race; just as religion cannot be amalgamated with the
    scheming of political parties.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]

    “For the political leader the religious doctrines and institutions of
    his people must always remain inviolable; or else has no right to be
    in politics, but should become a reformer, if he has what it takes!


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]

    “In nearly all the matters in which the Pan-German movement was
    wanting, the attitude of the Christian Social Party was correct and
    well-planned.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]

    “It [Christian Social Party] recognized the value of large-scale
    propaganda and was a virtuoso in influencing the psychological
    instincts of the broad masses of its adherents.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]

    “If Dr. Karl Lueger had lived in Germany, he would have been ranked
    among the great minds of our people.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3, about the leader of
    the Christian Social movement]

    “Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy
    enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an
    overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted
    to live at this time.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 5]

    “I had so often sung ‘Deutschland u:ber Alles’ and shouted ‘Heil’ at
    the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of
    grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the
    eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 5]

    “Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very
    first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always
    and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence
    which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering
    and uncertain.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 5]

    “I soon realized that the correct use of propaganda is a true art
    which has remained practically unknown to the bourgeois parties. Only
    the Christian- Social movement, especially in Lueger’s time achieved
    a certain virtuosity on this instrument, to which it owed many of its
    success.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 6]

    “Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along
    the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord’s grace
    smiled on His ungrateful children.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 7, reflecting on World
    War I]

    “The more abstractly correct and hence powerful this idea will be,
    the more impossible remains its complete fulfillment as long as it
    continues to depend on human beings… If this were not so, the
    founders of religion could not be counted among the greatest men of
    this earth… In its workings, even the religion of love is only the
    weak reflection of the will of its exalted founder; its significance,
    however, lies in the direction which it attempted to give to a
    universal human development of culture, ethics, and morality.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 8]

    “To them belong, not only the truly great statesmen, but all other
    great reformers as well. Beside Frederick the Great stands Martin
    Luther as well as Richard Wagner.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 8]

    “The fight against syphilis demands a fight against prostitution,
    against prejudices, old habits, against previous conceptions, general
    views among them not least the false prudery of certain circles. The
    first prerequisite for even the moral right to combat these things is
    the facilitation of earlier marriage for the coming generation. In
    late marriage alone lies the compulsion to retain an institution
    which, twist and turn as you like, is and remains a disgrace to
    humanity, an institution which is damned ill-suited to a being who
    with his usual modesty likes to regard himself as the ‘image’ of God.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 10]

    “Parallel to the training of the body a struggle against the
    poisoning of the soul must begin. Our whole public life today is like
    a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of
    fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will
    hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food,
    particularly for the youth…Theater, art, literature, cinema, press,
    posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations
    of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political,
    and cultural idea.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 10, echoing the Cultural
    Warfare rhetoric of the Religious Right]

    “But if out of smugness, or even cowardice, this battle is not fought
    to its end, then take a look at the peoples five hundred years from
    now. I think you will find but few images of God, unless you want to
    profane the Almighty.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 10]

    “While both denominations maintain missions in Asia and Africa in
    order to win new followers for their doctrine– an activity which can
    boast but very modest success compared to the advance of the
    Mohammedan faith in particular– right here in Europe they lose
    millions and millions of inward adherents who either are alien to all
    religious life or simply go their own ways. The consequences,
    particularly from a moral point of view, are not favorable.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 10]

    “The great masses of people do not consist of philosophers; precisely
    for the masses, faith is often the sole foundation of a moral
    attitude. The various substitutes have not proved so successful from
    the standpoint of results that they could be regarded as a useful
    replacement for previous religious creeds. But if religious doctrine
    and faith are really to embrace the broad masses, the unconditional
    authority of the content of this faith is the foundation of all
    efficacy.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 10]

    “Due to his own original special nature, the Jew cannot possess a
    religious institution, if for no other reason because he lacks
    idealism in any form, and hence belief in a hereafter is absolutely
    foreign to him. And a religion in the Aryan sense cannot be imagined
    which lacks the conviction of survival after death in some form.
    Indeed, the Talmud is not a book to prepare a man for the hereafter,
    but only for a practical and profitable life in this world.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 11]

    “The best characterization is provided by the product of this
    religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world,
    and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his
    nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the
    new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude
    toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to
    drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who
    then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his
    business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while
    our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for
    Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles
    with atheistic Jewish parties– and this against their own nation.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 11]

    “….the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil
    assumes the living shape of the Jew.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 11, precisely echoing
    Martin Luther’s teachings]

    “Faith is harder to shake than knowledge, love succumbs less to
    change than respect, hate is more enduring than aversion, and the
    impetus to the mightiest upheavals on this earth has at all times
    consisted less in a scientific knowledge dominating the masses than
    in a fanaticism which inspired them and sometimes in a hysteria which
    drove them forward.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 1 Chapter 12]

    “The greatness of every mighty organization embodying an idea in this
    world lies in the religious fanaticism and intolerance with which,
    fanatically convinced of its own right, it intolerantly imposes its
    will against all others.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 1 Chapter 12]

    “The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations
    for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient
    world, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for
    its own doctrine.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 1 Chapter 12]

    “All in all, this whole period of winter 1919-20 was a single
    struggle to strengthen confidence in the victorious might of the
    young movement and raise it to that fanaticism of faith which can
    move mountains.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 1 Chapter 12]

    “Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable
    stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin the
    fight for the ‘remaking’ of the Reich as they call it.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 1]

    “Of course, even the general designation ‘religious’ includes various
    basic ideas or convictions, for example, the indestructibility of the
    soul, the eternity of its existence, the existence of a higher being,
    etc. But all these ideas, regardless of how convincing they may be
    for the individual, are submitted to the critical examination of this
    individual and hence to a fluctuating affirmation or negation until
    emotional divination or knowledge assumes the binding force of
    apodictic faith. This, above all, is the fighting factor which makes
    a breach and opens the way for the recognition of basic religious
    views.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 1]

    “Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord
    commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and
    contributes to the expulsion from paradise.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 1]

    “A folkish state must therefore begin by raising marriage from the
    level of a continuous defilement of the race, and give it the
    consecration of an institution which is called upon to produce images
    of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and ape.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 2]

    “It would be more in keeping with the intention of the noblest man in
    this world if our two Christian churches, instead of annoying Negroes
    with missions which they neither desire nor understand, would kindly,
    but in all seriousness, teach our European humanity that where
    parents are not healthy it is a deed pleasing to God to take pity on
    a poor little healthy orphan child and give him father and mother,
    than themselves to give birth to a sick child who will only bring
    unhappiness and suffering on himself and the rest of the world.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 2]

    “That this is possible may not be denied in a world where hundreds
    and hundreds of thousands of people voluntarily submit to celibacy,
    obligated and bound by nothing except the injunction of the Church.
    Should the same renunciation not be possible if this injunction is
    replaced by the admonition finally to put an end to the constant and
    continuous original sin of racial poisoning, and to give the Almighty
    Creator beings such as He Himself created?”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 2]

    “For the greatest revolutionary changes on this earth would not have
    been thinkable if their motive force, instead of fanatical, yes,
    hysterical passion, had been merely the bourgeois virtues of law and
    order.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 2]

    “It doesn’t dawn on this depraved bourgeois world that this is
    positively a sin against all reason; that it is criminal lunacy to
    keep on drilling a born half-ape until people think they have made a
    lawyer out of him, while millions of members of the highest culture-
    race must remain in entirely unworthy positions; that it is a sin
    against the will of the Eternal Creator if His most gifted beings by
    the hundreds and hundreds of thousands are allowed to degenerate in
    the present proletarian morass, while Hottentots and Zulu Kaffirs are
    trained for intellectual professions.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 2]

    “It may be that today gold has become the exclusive ruler of life,
    but the time will come when man will again bow down before a higher
    god.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 2]

    “Christianity could not content itself with building up its own
    altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the
    heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its
    apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute
    presupposition.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 5]

    “For how shall we fill people with blind faith in the correctness of
    a doctrine, if we ourselves spread uncertainty and doubt by constant
    changes in its outward structure? …Here, too, we can learn by the
    example of the Catholic Church. Though its doctrinal edifice, and in
    part quite superfluously, comes into collision with exact science and
    research, it is none the less unwilling to sacrifice so much as one
    little syllable of its dogmas… it is only such dogmas which lend to
    the whole body the character of a faith.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 5]

    “The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in
    his own denomination, of making people stop just talking
    superficially of God’s will, and actually fulfill God’s will, and not
    let God’s word be desecrated. For God’s will gave men their form,
    their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is
    declaring war on the Lord’s creation, the divine will.


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 10]

    “In the ranks of the movement [National Socialist movement], the most
    devout Protestant could sit beside the most devout Catholic, without
    coming into the slightest conflict with his religious convictions.
    The mighty common struggle which both carried on against the
    destroyer of Aryan humanity had, on the contrary, taught them
    mutually to respect and esteem one another.”


    [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 10]

    “For this, to be sure, from the child’s primer down to the last
    newspaper, every theater and every movie house, every advertising
    pillar and every billboard, must be pressed into the service of this
    one great mission, until the timorous prayer of our present parlor
    patriots: ‘Lord, make us free!’ is transformed in the brain of the
    smallest boy into the burning plea: ‘Almighty God, bless our arms
    when the time comes; be just as thou hast always been; judge now
    whether we be deserving of freedom; Lord, bless our battle!


    [Adolf Hitler’s prayer, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 2 Chapter 13]

    “The Government, being resolved to undertake the political and moral
    purification of our public life, are creating and securing the
    conditions necessary for a really profound revival of religious life”


    [Adolph Hitler, in a speech to the Reichstag on March 23, 1933]

    “ATHEIST HALL CONVERTED

    Berlin Churches Establish Bureau to Win Back Worshippers

    Wireless to the New York Times.

    BERLIN, May 13. – In Freethinkers Hall, which before the Nazi
    resurgence was the national headquarters of the German Freethinkers
    League, the Berlin Protestant church authorities have opened a bureau
    for advice to the public in church matters. Its chief object is to
    win back former churchgoers and assist those who have not previously
    belonged to any religious congregation in obtaining church membership.

    The German Freethinkers League, which was swept away by the national
    revolution, was the largest of such organizations in Germany. It had
    about 500,000 members …”

    [New York Times, May 14, 1933, page 2, on Hitler’s outlawing of
    atheistic and freethinking groups in Germany in the Spring of 1933
    ,
    after the Enabling Act authorizing Hitler to rule by decree]

    “I go the way that Providence dictates with the assurance of a
    sleepwalker.”


    [Adolf Hitler, Speech, 15 March 1936, Munich, Germany.]

    “The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost
    duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation. It
    will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation
    has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our
    national morality, and the family as the basis of national life….”


    [Adolf Hitler, Berlin, February 1, 1933]

    “Today Christians … stand at the head of [this country]… I pledge
    that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy
    Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian
    spirit … We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in
    literature, in the theater, and in the press – in short, we want to
    burn out the *poison of immorality* which has entered into our whole
    life and culture as a result of *liberal excess* during the past …
    (few) years.”


    [The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford
    University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872]
     
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  19. ivanhoe

    ivanhoe Fapstronaut

    sigh....And what 'religion sucks' site did you cut an paste these from... you clearly have NO understanding of what you are posting.

    First, ad nauseum: I posted information that clearly proved that there is no indication that he was personally a believing christian,

    Second, most all of you quotes, i use the above for an example, appeal for germans to TRANSCEND religion and adapt the ideology of the state (Aryanism)

    Third, you very obviously have no historical understanding of the times he was speaking in and appeals he was making. Christians feared the nazis were anti-christian (and ultimately hitler planned to do away with Christianity, as referenced above) and he was making coalition building political appeals. But more than that, they feared Bolshevism -and not without reason - years before the Nazis came into power Atheist communists were murdering clergy, believers and destroying churches.

    You of course know (just kidding you didn't!) that there was a communist coup attempt in Germany after WWI and most people had two devils to choose from. It shouldn't be surprising they sought protection under a strong man any more than Christians and other minorities seek protection under Assad.
     
  20. ivanhoe

    ivanhoe Fapstronaut

    I asked you simply confirm what you said and you refuse to do it. You claimed Christianity is responsible for slavery. It is a bizarre, outlandish and historically laughable claim. I would figure you jump at the chance to clarify your statement.. apparently not.

    Atheists murdered millions of Christians in the name of Atheism.. so that makes YOU a bloodthirsty monster as well.
     
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