Porn? no way! What about imagination?

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Master_baiter, May 18, 2019.

  1. Master_baiter

    Master_baiter Fapstronaut

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    burning question in my chest
    since ive joined i noticed hows everybody all about how bad pornography is, why you shouldnt masturbate to it and so on and so forth

    But what really interests me is what if one masturbates to his own imagination, say he fantasizes about hot females he personally knows (Im talking about myself if you didnt catch it)? Is it better or worse than P?
     
  2. Hros

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    To me it's more of a worse or equal situation. There isn't a "better" option when it comes to M. On one hand, it's worse, because your imagination is limitless and you can get to imagining stuff that you may not be able to find on the net. On the other hand it may be more equal to P because here you are, still MOing to thoughts that are out of your reach, regardless if you know the person or not. It's still fake.
     
  3. Originaldutchcow

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    Your brain still thinks that it is having real sex, you are reducing androgen receptors and desensitizing your brain, even when you dont watch porn but use your imagination / memories of your favorite scenes etc
     
  4. Master_baiter

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    Yeah i also thought so. M'ing to people you personally know is even worse in my opinion, because you start objectifying people who are near and dear to your heart
     
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  5. porn and masturbation are equally as bad.
    btw is that ricardo milos?
     
  6. JRex

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    I have tried this, but I have a really powerful imagination and I end up feeling shit the next day.
     
  7. Tiger uppercut!

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    Yeah I almost think that my imagination can end up being worse in some cases.
     
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  8. Master_baiter

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    Yes it is Him, the true God
     
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  9. noice
     
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  10. Awedouble

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    I thought this may be a thread about imagination in a general, artistic creative sense. It could potentially be worse because the lines between what's real and not become blurred, which already is the case with porn but this sort of takes it to another level.

    As a side note, nothing wrong with imagination in itself because it doesn't mean you have to delude yourself. You can even come up with really useful tools, even for rebooting. I try to think about this a lot, and if other people can use those ideas then it helps more than one person. There's a perfectly legit concept of thought experiments, and this is what I'm getting at. It's really both creative and useful at the same time.
     
  11. Anonymous86

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    Does masturbation to sensation mean it's better than imagination?
     
  12. Johnny_TightLips

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    Any act of P or M or O (The exception being if you O with your partner) will lead you right back into a relapse. Search up the Chaser Effect, it's a real thing. Sorry for the harsh reality but it's the truth. If you want to recover, cut it all out and better your life. Cheers and best of luck!
     
  13. Awedouble

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    I don't think there is any better, period - but there may just be a question of where someone would do better to concentrate on for the time being - just depends on where they are at. But I would say you don't want to completely ignore one or the other, gotta address both the sensory stuff as well as the mental level.
     
  14. Anonymous86

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    I can't really masturbate to imagination anymore - does it clearly sound like a symptom of PIED? Is this a textbook symptom?
     
  15. Awedouble

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    Oh yeah, if you REALLY want to get specific even sex with a partner might have issues if either or both of those people have issues- after all people become infatuated and get caught in their delusions and using sex to power that is not a good idea. You may be having real sex then but you may just end up in a bad relationship.
     
  16. Awedouble

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    I don't know but in terms of what to do I think abstinence from porn for sure.
     
  17. lonxwolf

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    I think it is much better than porn. It is pretty normal (for me) to be attracted to other sex and fantasized about them. Try it, but don't overdoit. It is much better than porn and soon you should go for just mo'ing, no porn and fantasies. I mean, it is very hard (for me) to just go from pmo to completely nofap (no pmo). My advice to you as a fellow fapstronaut, try that and progress from it. It is better than not making any effort to change. Goodluck on your journey man. Hahahaha
     
  18. Master_baiter

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    i think its twice as bad because you know these females personally. you have sexual thoughts about them and thus view them as sexual objects. Thats a no-no for your social life. People have a way of feeling your thoughts so if you desire a lot of acquintances other will notice it
     
  19. Master_baiter

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    yeah man imagination is really nice but it can be used in unholy ways
     
  20. JedWiley

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    Its just mental gymnastics, at the end of the day its a fantasy, its fapping, its cheating. To me it is. If you bump into an ex GF when you have fully rebooted they will think your amazing, a superman, eyes lit up, muscles bulging making more shit happen in a day than 3 fappers can.
     

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