Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome

Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by Unvers, Jun 18, 2018.

  1. Unvers

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    I think that this is the most compatible section within the forum to speak about this disease linked to orgasm that force the sufferers to abstinence even if they want to have sex or masturbate because of the condition, people with this disease tend to limit orgasms like a porn addict but the core problem is not porn in this case but orgasm.

    Link to the Wikipedia page relative to this disease:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postorgasmic_illness_syndrome

    In this case abstinence is not used for quitting porn or others sexual behaviors but is necessary to avoid the symptoms of POIS who can be very debilitating.

    For now there is no cure, complicating things is the fact that people experience different symptoms ranging from physical to mental and are different in each person and so the physicians think about different possible origins of the POIS, this is a problem for finding a cure that works for everyone.

    For now I manage my POIS abstaining from orgasm six day per week and limit the orgasms only to one day, this maybe wouldn't change the number of weekly orgasms because I tend to compensate in that day and not limit myself but this method has the benefit of limiting the POIS symptoms just to one or two day, with daily masturbation I would have symptom all days and it would be unbereable.

    I wonder if there is any other user who suffers from this condition on this forum.
     
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  2. Vandermeer

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    Reads to me rather like a trained syndrome acquired by psychosomatic reasons or the internalized believe ejaculations/orgasm in general would be harmful to the body.
    I think, you can find for any "medical classified syndrome", however obscure it may seem, quite soon several people, who will enthusiastically agree to suffer by its symptoms.
     
  3. Julius93

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    This happened to me for awhile. It will go away. Don't think of it as a disease. Think of it as one of the shittiest parts of a reboot. It will end.

    I actually think it's a good sign. It's your mind and body rethinking what it means to orgasm. You've decided by starting NoFap that it's bad to PMO... note that one of those is O. You have now successfully gotten into your subconscious that O is not always good, in fact it makes you sick... so why PM....O? Don't do it.

    Eventually your hormones and neurotransmitters will be back in order, they're still rebalancing right now. Keep patting yourself on the back for not PM-ing... then so many good things will happen in your life as you keep improving yourself, that you'll get back to O being a good thing, because it will either be in a wet dream (your body naturally making sure your balls don't get overloaded), or the product of mutual physical connection in a loving relationship. Right now you've gone from "O feels so great after P and M" to "I don't want to PMO" to "shit, I O'd". So focus on what you didn't do, which is the really bad stuff and you avoided it like a champ. O for no clear reason, with the memories of P & M that you labeled as bad, will be weird until you've truly convinced yourself that you really don't want to PM...

    I hope that makes sense and helps.
     
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  5. Davidphd1866

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    I absolutely believe this is a genuine condition. I believe I suffer from it as well. I swear I am sick for a couple of weeks after an ejaculation.

    I think there are two linked conditions one is called Kallman's Syndrome and the other is called hyperprolactinemia.

    https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/kallmann-syndrome

    http://www.parentingnation.in/Pre-Pregnancy/hyperprolactinemia-in-males_386
     
  6. Julius93

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    That's interesting. I remember that some research states that 0.1% of the population has this condition. I expected that there would be more of us here. However, the duration of your illness is a bit shocking. Do you also feel ill after having a wet dream/nocturnal emission.
     
  7. Dogwood

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    Have you tried a longer timeout from orgasm entirely? It can take months to return to balance.
     
  8. Davidphd1866

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    Julius,

    I have had precious few wet dreams. I can only remember one and that was over twenty years ago. Therefore, I can't really give you a responsible answer to the question. My guess is that I WOULD feel some ill effects.
     
  9. Julius93

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    Sometimes I think that we are the most lonely males on the planet. Not having wet dreams might be an advantage. It makes the condition controllable. Your profile states that you are 50+ years old. I don't know wheter you have ever been with a partner. If so, how do you handle being in a relationship/marriage while having this condition? Is it doable?
     
  10. Vedas_fr

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    There is no "pois". Ejaculation is extremely draining for the body. Some people are more sensitive than others, mostly those who ejaculated a lot in the past and have rather weak constitution. Pois is for people that dont understand ejaculation is draining and think there is somethibg wrong with them. I myself cant ejaculate more than once every 14 days if i want to be energetic and healthy. If i do more i will have troubles
     
  11. You say that there is no such thing as POIS but you do say it’s something extremely draining, perhaps that feeling is what we consider to be POIS? because normal people that don’t have these excessive O habits don’t get them, but here on this forum it has been brought up.

    I want to post here because this reminds me of when I first started nofap. I remember every single relapse felt like I fell back to square one, literally. One day I’d be fine but after a relapse, everything goes down hill, bad x100 like I lost all my benefits. But nowadays, after doing nofap for a few years now, relapsing doesn’t make me feel as bad, it makes me feel bad, I’m sure it’s part placebo and part real, but it’s not as it once was in the beginning. What I’m trying to say is that maybe I suffered POIS before, I was doing pmo 7 times a day for a couple of years, that was my peak, frequency less before that. But now, maybe I’m healing? From something.
     
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  12. Julius93

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    Hello Julius,

    I DO agree that genuine POIS may be rare. I feel that Vedas has a point, BUT I think he may not realize the debilitating effects ejaculations can have beyond the simple "draining". And at .1%......whew, lonely indeed! When I was young I'd avoid ejaculating with girls and it was always easy. "Oh, I guess I just drank a bit too much." as an excuse. Later I was/is married and I had to rely on my relative youth and otherwise good strength to carry me through. Even still, I never DID have sex more frequently than once every few days--even as a newlywed.

    These days my wife fully recognizes that I am just not the "same" person after I ejaculate. And that this condition seems to linger for about two weeks. I consider it flu-like symptoms. Aches, fatigue, etc. Today she has essentially "banned" me from her vagina. She knows that once her and I get to playing or love-making an ejaculation is pretty inevitable. It's been almost three years since last having intercourse.

    This creates a very strange dynamic.......I'd go into it privately, but it'd be too easy to drift off topic in the forum.
     
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  14. Vedas_fr

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    Yes i am saying that there is no condition called pois, there are only the after effects of ejaculation, which are more or less terrible depending on the state of the body, the frequency of ejaculation etc... it is true that too much ejaculation can create very bad symptoms and even parkinsons like symptoms in extreme cases. It burns the vital energy. People think they have some strange pois condition called pois but its not like that. Everyone suffers from ejaculation, but not everyone is equal, and not everyone is aware of it.
    I do realize it. But like i said i dont believe its abnormal, it is normal especially if you masturbated a lot during young years. You created an advanced state of depletion. I dont think men are supposed to ejaculate more than 30 times a year, nature didnt create masturbators
     
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  15. Yup, me too. Ive had ejaculated once per session multiple sessions a day for years. Then I started to get weak, my nervous system gave in and I discovered the habit of tensing legs for orgasms...as well as middle of the body on the belly. The past few years everytime, pretty much, I relapsed Ive had low semen count, and ejaculated until dry orgasm or inability to orgasm. Ending in using fingers on a flaccid shaft and tensing legs like my life depended on it and maybe, just squeezing a small drop of low quality semen. Energy wise at times ive been so dry of kinetic energy I couldnt feel my leg for a while...

    Since this, PMOs mental effects are nothing. For me the real deal is on the body. Having started from relatively young age I see it, bones, blood count, cerebro-spinal fluid are low and lacking. And many more. Literally am visibly dispelling the very food I eat as opposed to the kinetic energy it gives. The very matter that makes the body tissue.

    Some people say this is myth. I say they havent depleted themselves that much yet. And if they relapsed many times in their lives they have workout out much and spend time to sleep, eat, etc in between to recover somewhat. And two they are silly for not thinkijg about this. Your whole body is made from the food you eat. You dont bleed everyday. Ejaculation dispells immense amounts of actual physical matter out of the body at an alarming rate - for regular masturbators. The brain refusing to work properly is only a mild, begging stage symptom given that the brain is the pentacle of all bodily functions, the tip of the iceberg, if you will.
     
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  16. I think they call it pois because it happens after orgasm, both definition right but I guess the causes are different or people aren’t pinning it to anything other than the stress or energy put off from an orgasm that can hurt us if done in excess
     
  17. Yes, that, exactly. 100%

    From birth you start to build the body with food and water. But you help this process TREMENDUOUSLY with the level of exercise you get, with good genes, reduced stress and emotional stability, mental concentration (increased blood to whole brain not just prefrontal cortex and helps circulate blood in while system actually..), etc. Ejaculation is draining. You literally sacrifice your own vital nutrients to create a new life. Look at the contents of what is ejaculated ! (For males). You can even increase not only your health but your iq by consuming semen!. I think theres been a famous story in past years circulating on the net of a female who got iq of 200 and tested by famous mensa by daily consumption of semen (fron horses). All males consume the best of their own organism in order to start a new life. Its the way matter works.

    Take two rocks. To make a third the first two have to sacrifice some matter.
    Take mud balls, to make a third, the first two have to sacrifice some mud. Its law.

    Notice from exercise you feel your body, limbs and organs better. You can actually feel the increased blood. The stimulant habits and activities mentioned contribute to this, ie. Mental attention, emotional stability and reduced stress.

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    Take two males. One lives sedentary and one exercises hard. Both eat the same and ejaculate in same frequency and times. Over time the healthy one will absorb more matter and nutrients from food and distribute it better in the body. Ignoring factors like injuries and genetics, etc. The healthy one, in this example will be able to ejaculate more with less drawbacks than the one who lived sedentary.

    Its as common sense as the stars on the night sky. How can people think spit, blood, urine are made from the bodies matter and essentially if left out the body will deplete the essential life supporting, life nourishing and life giving stores of the body [urine if youre starving of thirst]
    BUT semen just comes out nowhere, infinitelly and easily produced, especially given the contents of it !.
     
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  18. Davidphd1866

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    Gents,

    Excellent comments all around. I would like to add that I believe it's probably irrelevant to discuss the existence of POIS. Keep in mind, it's a "syndrome" which is defined as "a group of symptoms which consistently occur together, or a condition characterized by a set of associated symptoms." So Vedas and Julius are correct.

    I think what's important is HOW you react to too much depletion. If you blamed POIS and simply tossed your hands in the air and kept masturbating, well, that's bad.

    So for me, the result is the same whether or not POIS exists: masturbating and ejaculation are not good for me. We men probably differ significantly as to how our body reacts, but the solution in any case is the same--conserve semen.

    Thanks for everyone's comments. This is a most illuminating thread.
     
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  19. Vedas_fr

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    Yup i trully believe too much ejaculation can lead to extreme unbalanced states and even death. No jokes
    The point that i am trying to make is that people using the term "pois" are ultimately denying the consuming nature of ejaculation. Ejaculation is auto consumption of your own vital reserves. For semen production all cells of the body are used like supply, they all give a bit of their "vital juice" for lack of a better term. By talking about pois people refuse the truth behind what they call pois. This is why it is important to be careful with that idea and why i dont like that term. Many of pois sufferers do not believe semen leakge is draining. Pois is possible for everyone even females
     
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  20. Davidphd1866

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    Well said Vedas. I fully agree. If we use the term POIS as an excuse, we are missing the point.
     
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