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Post-Orgasmic Illness Syndrome

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by blademaster87, Jul 30, 2021.

  1. blademaster87

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    Supposedly there's this "new disease" called P.O.I.S. (Post-Orgasmic Illness Syndrome) where some people, for not yet an accurate cause, feel sick for days after orgasming. It's a theory that some men develop an allergy to their own semen which in turns make their immune system respond inapropriately to ejaculation (making them sick), but there's no real data to support this since p.o.i.s. is supposedly such a "rare and not yet comprehended" disease.
    Now I've been reading about it for some time and can't help but think that all my "PMO problems", what I thought was a neurochemical disregulation from the consumption of porn and excessive masturbation, could actually have some physiological roots and may be part of an even bigger problem. I'm thinking that maybe it was my addiction that caused all of this hormonal inbalance in the first place. Problem is, now I can't help to think that abstaining isn't helping me at all. That it's only sensitizing me, making me weaker and more intolerant to every time I ejaculate, making me feel sicker the longer I abstain (not to mention giving me a premature ejaculation). To be honest, sometimes I think it is all just one big cope to not deal with the fact that I get sick every time I ejaculate.
    Anyone share their experiences with P.O.I.S. here? It seems the condition is very little talked about in NoFap.
     
  2. Abel100%

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    La retención de semen siempre tarde beneficio, cunado tenga una relación íntima después de tiempo en NoFab lo más probable sea que sientas más sensibilidad, pero todo llegará a la normalidad ... Que mejore tu salud es nuestro deseo siempre
     
  3. Pathofsuccess_1

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    it can’t be an allergy to ones own semen, because it’s already inside of you, it could be an allergy or a sensitivity to the hormones and chemicals that are released after climax.
     
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  4. blademaster87

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    There is no solid evidence to determine that semen retention could hold any real benefit... What I'm trying to say is that some people (like myself) have found some relief in retention simply because we cannot deal with the physiology of our own orgasms. Maybe we're creating a moral problem out of a real, still unknown, physiological situation.
     
  5. blademaster87

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    Exactly what I think, but in early studies the semen allergy was an actual hypothesis.
     
  6. Bro its not allergic to your semen, its allergi of body to external things due to lack of semen. Its is said that semen will build an aura around your body and that keep you safe from many diseases.so if semen is loss bodies immunity is also getting weakening. So that is actually pois.
     
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  8. Mr. Kruger

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    A lot of people who have POIS are heavy porn users and usually report that having real sex has pretty much no negative effect on them, but intense PMO sessions will completely decimate their physical well-being. I'm inclined to believe that POIS for most people is just the physical side effects of porn addiction that some of us experience, and prolonged edging usually increases the chances of having these physical ailments. It's not natural at all to edge for hours on end and keep unnatural amounts of dopamine surging through your brain. Dopamine is directly linked to a lot of other brain chemicals and hormones, so when one becomes imbalanced, the rest will too.

    I'm not saying that every single person suffering POIS is a porn addict, but at least 75% of people experiencing these symptoms probably are. I used to have a lot of these symptoms when I was a severe addict, and I don't have them anymore.

    I find it interesting how POIS wasn't even recognized as a disorder until 2002, and the early 2000s was when internet porn was becoming much more accessible due to the advent of high-speed broadband internet. That can't be just a coincidence.
     
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  9. blademaster87

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    Thanks for the insight.
     
  10. Legacy of Lost Soul

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    Lots of contradicting info and pseudoscience or just downright BS around this topic. I have POIS.

    Without drawing any conclusions about anything, my POIS started with NoFap. When I was masturbating all the time, I did not have any negative reactions after O.

    Im currently 5 years clean of porn. I dont masturbate. Had 2 major 200 and 300 days streaks - hard mode. Many lesser streaks.

    Truth is, the crash you get after 200 or 300 days, back to baseline, is sewere and unforgetable. Body remembers this and I doubt it likes it.

    I feel and believe, semen retention works like some all encompassing force holding your body and mind in better shape, even forcing some repairs etc.

    But ONE orgasm takes the whole force out again in a split of a moment. The force is gone. Now your body needs to rapidly start to take over. Until that happens, my old injuries start to hurt again, supressed issues start to reappear all of sudden. Its a shock to the whole system.

    Its like we can function on two systems - standard physical. And advanced energetical from semen retention. If u get used to advanced one (1 year streak etc) but than u shut it down with orgasm, its a stress event and the physical system needs to take over.

    I dont say this is causing POIS but I say there are forces at play here, which go beyond anything any classic doctor has any clue about...
     
  11. Yeah, loss of semen creates a cascade of problems because it's a nervous system regulator, the engine gets messed up if you don't add oil.

    think about it, as above so below, throwing away nutrients the balls hold for quality of life and survival creates another human life, it's not nothing, the best thing men can do for themselves is to stop self abuse.
     
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  12. Legacy of Lost Soul

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    Agreed but having orgasm in moderation is not self abuse and should be rewarding (surely it is for majority of ppl) so we having POIS have some kind of issue.

    If making kids would make ppl feel suicidal etc, that would not be a good general plan of nature..

    This stuff is complicated because it has more level and points of view to look at the problem :/
     
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  13. Everything in moderation, though if moderation leads to spiral as in addiction then imo it would be ok to dedicate yourself to retaining full on, and no don't have kids just for orgasm, that would be chaos, people sometimes forget that where they are now after all of this struggle is a far cry from how they were before they started, people change bit by bit till the change envelops that person entirely if kept up. so in conclusion POIS is treatable by yourself and or with support.
     
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  14. Legacy of Lost Soul

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    This post was kind of chaos tbh..

    Anyway, care to elaborate on last sentence?
     
  15. lol yeah my thinking is kinda scattered all over the place, I mean that POIS is not death, it's able to be fixed by yourself and with support from places like this or with competent therapy.
     
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  16. It's been 6 weeks since I took supplements such as zinc, magnesium, fish oil, and vitamin D3. I must say that they help tremendously.The last 2 MO from P ain't so devastating compared to the previous relapses.
    Also people should jump off their libido to see if it's not stagnant especially after a long time of abstinence.
     
  17. Legacy of Lost Soul

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    For me the supplements do not change anything..good that it helps you! It shows that the reasons ppl have POIS are really various.
     
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  18. Ascended Ninja

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    The POIS thing you mention is just because of chi loss....

    I need to make a post on how to replenish chi faster. In one hour one can easily gain a whole week of chi to replenish an ejaculation. But most people just don't know how. The closest people on nofap seem to get to chi development is being able to feel it slightly which is enhanced when they loose it. But few go on hardmore / actual celibacy practice for a decade or longer which is required to build a proper chi base and even reach the stage of maxing out the amount of chi comfortably supported by the body. Then any extra chi is stored in a higher gas like form called shen or tejas. Although this happens naturally to small degress in everyone (automatically), by that point, a decade in it is done consciouslly as the chi becomes a proper tangible substance.

    In other words for most people nofap is just removing porn. They get a bit healthy and notice the looses of chi affecting them like heavy wankers notice the lack of life or any magnetism affecting them. Unfortunately it takes over a decade of celibacy to build a stable base without consciouss martial training the chi using chi replenishing/building methods.
     
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  19. kenwood

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    What are you smoking and not sharing?
     
  20. Dave G 123

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    I have been trying to find out more about Chi / Qi, because in recent days my body is feeling very different. I am approaching 9 months in full monk-mode, and I am getting a sense of energy flowing through my body. This could simply be my body slowly returning to a healthy state, or it could be something else - it does feel like a "life force", for want of a better term, is in play. Do you have any links to decent quality info about Chi? Because there's a hell of a lot of confusing BS out there about it.
     
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