Real Sex is Wayy Better Than Masterbating - Trigger Warning

dicktracey

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The connection, the touch, the sounds, the feedback, the flowing nectar gushing around your cock, the warmth, the pussy filled with your semen.

As I am writing this post on Labor Day on day 59, I am bored and have thoughts of watching some porn. But what's stopping me is I know that jerking off to porn will only feel 10% to 30% as good as the real thing, you get none of the things I mentioned above.

Sex is a sacred thing, we must not taint it with porn that drains our energy and makes real sex worse(loss of desire, loss of semen, loss of energy, loss of sensation, erectile dysfunction, etc.) When I was watching porn, I did not have the desire to have real sex anymore. I don't want to lose that desire, because real sex is the best thing in this world!

Stay Hard Brothers!
 
You're probably right but some of us dudes are just too ugly to attract any decent women into our lives (at least for something serious and long-lasting). That I happen to be tall and fit (188 cm) and have been free from PMO the last 5 1/2 years won't help me much if I'm average-looking at best. Some of us dudes are just too ugly to attract women for sex and when all the rejections pile up, the threshold gets just harder to overcome.

I guess I have to accept the fact and keep focus on my fitness, work, making more money, and the good relationships I already have (i.e. family and friends).
 
You're probably right but some of us dudes are just too ugly to attract any decent women into our lives (at least for something serious and long-lasting). That I happen to be tall and fit (188 cm) and have been free from PMO the last 5 1/2 years won't help me much if I'm average-looking at best. Some of us dudes are just too ugly to attract women for sex and when all the rejections pile up, the threshold gets just harder to overcome.

I guess I have to accept the fact and keep focus on my fitness, work, making more money, and the good relationships I already have (i.e. family and friends).
You couldn't be more wrong budd. The mentality is what separates us. Yes, looks contribute a lot in attraction, but long term, they make ni difference. Believe me. If you believe you are not worth the girl, then you won't be. Simple as that. And it shows, low confidence in a man is a big turn off for women, no matter how you look.
 
You couldn't be more wrong budd. The mentality is what separates us. Yes, looks contribute a lot in attraction, but long term, they make ni difference. Believe me. If you believe you are not worth the girl, then you won't be. Simple as that. And it shows, low confidence in a man is a big turn off for women, no matter how you look.

You're partially right but genetics plays a big role as well, probably more than most people want to admit. With looks, confidence comes naturally and since I'm not that good-looking, and have maxed my genetic potential (I can't get much more fit for example) it will be a lot harder to find any decent-looking women who won't call me off as a creep and/or call the cops after approaching them. It feels like no confidence in the world will help me there.
 
You're probably right but some of us dudes are just too ugly to attract any decent women into our lives (at least for something serious and long-lasting). That I happen to be tall and fit (188 cm) and have been free from PMO the last 5 1/2 years won't help me much if I'm average-looking at best. Some of us dudes are just too ugly to attract women for sex and when all the rejections pile up, the threshold gets just harder to overcome.

I guess I have to accept the fact and keep focus on my fitness, work, making more money, and the good relationships I already have (i.e. family and friends).

This is older. But I think a woman’s perspective is needed.

the whole you gotta be tall, fit, good car etc. it’s all bs propaganda. Different women have different tastes. Some are turned on/ attracted to intellect and not looks at all. My husband is 5’6”. I truly think his hight is perfect. I see eye to eye, don’t have to crane my neck. He is (no joke) the most attractive man/ person that walks this earth (to me). He also had low self esteem due to porn. Where did I meet him? We worked at a pizza place together.

A little off topic but penis size doesn’t matter either. It does and doesn’t, let me explain. We all have different size genitalia. Yup women too. Most are average, some petite, some large. We should match not only by attraction and chemistry, but genital size and sexual preference/frequancy desire. Think this is hard? Nope. NoFap will also turn your pheromones on. You can attract the right partner like a magnet. The secret is no P and no M at all. Trust me.
 
The connection, the touch, the sounds, the feedback, the flowing nectar gushing around your cock, the warmth, the pussy filled with your semen.

As I am writing this post on Labor Day on day 59, I am bored and have thoughts of watching some porn. But what's stopping me is I know that jerking off to porn will only feel 10% to 30% as good as the real thing, you get none of the things I mentioned above.

Sex is a sacred thing, we must not taint it with porn that drains our energy and makes real sex worse(loss of desire, loss of semen, loss of energy, loss of sensation, erectile dysfunction, etc.) When I was watching porn, I did not have the desire to have real sex anymore. I don't want to lose that desire, because real sex is the best thing in this world!

Stay Hard Brothers!
Completely true brother. What is your opinion about masturbation if I may ask?
 
The woman's perspective is interesting, but it's one of many possible perspectives. I would say that mature women could have this perspective (mature not by age but brain) but not all. For the same reason, there are women who put all the effort in aesthetics and do surgery to make herself more appealing. These women, most of the times, are searching for beautiful/rich men firstly, and then the rest.

Regarding the nopmo attraction... Sorry but It doesn't exist. The guy was free from pmo for 5 1/2 years... An extremely huge amount, and didn't found a girl.
 
The woman's perspective is interesting, but it's one of many possible perspectives. I would say that mature women could have this perspective (mature not by age but brain) but not all. For the same reason, there are women who put all the effort in aesthetics and do surgery to make herself more appealing. These women, most of the times, are searching for beautiful/rich men firstly, and then the rest.

Regarding the nopmo attraction... Sorry but It doesn't exist. The guy was free from pmo for 5 1/2 years... An extremely huge amount, and didn't found a girl.

You have some good points. For the most part women who choose surgery are two types. Type one insecure. The secondary is the one you mentioned.

I’m sorry you have not found your girl. I do have some questions. Don’t feel obligated to answer. How old are you? What other changes have you made other then PMO? Most people cant stop PMO without a lifestyle change is why I ask. Do you still M with no P? This is also very important and will affect pheromones too. It’s not a magic pill. But if you are following your heart (interests, goals hobbies) you will meet the right person. 5 years is long and not at the same time. Not everyone meets their person early in life.

I’ve been with my soulmate/husband 4 years. Married for 2. And I am nearly 46. No one else I have ever met compares at all to him. And while I am mature in age I assure you I am very immature (catching up) because of trauma that stunted emotional growth in several areas. I have always been this way, or hand these feelings since teens. I can’t talk for all women. But having known many what I say is true. We all have different tastes and preferences. Now to a good many my husband is viewed as attractive. But not everyones taste. Especially because of hight. To others like me that is what makes him perfect.
 
Well, with 5 1/2 years I was referring to "Angus McGyver", not myself (in my case I'm currently at 5 months) but anyway:

How old are you? What other changes have you made other then PMO?
I'm 43, and haven't made other changes, but basically because I already do hobbies in my free time, with or without friends, so I didn't had any need to made any other change. Only thing I don't do is going to gym because I don't have time to, and it's something I also... "dislike"? I'm already slim.

Do you still M with no P? This is also very important and will affect pheromones too.
No I don't masturbate, I'm 5 months fully clean. But the importance of human pheromones in attracting the opposite sex is very very limited. A major role is how a man/woman present him/herself to the others, how confident a person is, how much self-esteem have. A person may be unattractive physically, but still remain attractive because of his or her character or how he or she exposes himself or herself to others.
In the case of "Angus McGyver" (and a lot of other cases, which I also relate to) you start with low self-esteem, you feel physically unattractive and below average, maybe you got ghosted multiple times in the past (and so the self-esteem is even lower) and this lead to be also introverted... it's like a dog chasing its own tail. In all this, nopmo and pheromones are not a magic pill simply because they play a 1% role at their best.

Now to a good many my husband is viewed as attractive. But not everyones taste. Especially because of hight. To others like me that is what makes him perfect.
Let me say that for women the things are a bit different, because the women are the ones that decide who to be with, and the "Pareto principle of 80/20" (80% of women have 'access' to the 20% of men) apply. If you're a man outside of this 20%... you can only search in the 20% of women left. Saw this myself multiple and multiple times. Nice-looking men with high self-esteem and able to socialize (the "20%") are "captivating" and can have all the 80% women they want, even if they fap or watch porn daily. Nopmo/nofap in this situation count nothing. The women that says they look at other things are mainly women with low self-esteem that accept to go with "similar" men. I still have to see a "top model" together with a man who doesn't "stand out" or is not rich.
 
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Let me say that for women the things are a bit different, because the women are the ones that decide who to be with, and the "Pareto principle of 80/20" (80% of women have 'access' to the 20% of men) apply. If you're a man outside of this 20%... you can only search in the 20% of women left. Saw this myself multiple and multiple times. Nice-looking men with high self-esteem and able to socialize (the "20%") are "captivating" and can have all the 80% women they want, even if they fap or watch porn daily. Nopmo/nofap in this situation count nothing. The women that says they look at other things are mainly women with low self-esteem that accept to go with "similar" men. I still have to see a "top model" together with a man who doesn't "stand out" or is not rich.

honestly the 80/20 thing come from dating app statistics. More men use these apps than Women to begin with and statistically only 14% of our actual population of women have used apps within the last year give or take. By age group this statistic goes way down. Again who would use these apps? This may be the statistical reason for the 80/20 to begin with since females who are picky or shallow use it specifically to get to the specific qualities (attraction, good job etc). More men go on the app just looking for options rather than to get to an elite type of woman. I hate and didn’t use dating apps. I think most men feeling cheated by the apps (80/20 rule) are not going to find woman on apps. They would have way better luck in real life.

as far as pheromones go the new data in research studies shows we are far less visually stimulated and when pheromones are increased (depending on the experiment) it increased attraction anywhere from 14-74%. Other studies show that M dramaticly drops pheromone levels. And it does take time for the body to heal. Longer the longer you’ve been at it. It’s not just pheromones that change but physical appearance due to correct hormonal balance gives a more attractive appearance. Muscle tone is affected. Energy levels. Blood flow. There are so many thing effected that effect appearance, attractiveness and confidence.

I will say the dating pool is much much smaller for your age group. This is a disadvantage.

when it comes to attractive females dating so called average men, I have seen it so so often. In fact I was going to be a model/ actor and had opportunities growing up on so cal. Thankfully my parents said no. And I thought it seemed like a hollow career based on only looks. I have stories. Nearly been human trafficked in my 20s. I am not bad looking at all. Well above average but natural. I don’t use makeup. I never been altered other then braces. I have dated all types. Below average to hot. And knowing many women that have done the same. Most women I know didn’t go for the 20%. Only a few very shallow egotistical women were like that. Honestly who wants that? There is no place for meaningful connection in a shallow relationship.

I see your major disadvantages being mainly age and apps in general. Don’t use apps. Participate in more socially driven functions, street fairs, cons, any type of social gathering and don’t be afraid to talk to people just as friends. Meet couples, families and talk to all type of woman as people have single friends. It may be a friend or relative to a person you meet who ends up being your mate. The percentage of our population women in the age group 30-40s was around 2%. So yeah I think it’s fair that 80% of those would be shallow. Look for real people in real life.
 
I don't know why you link me to the use of dating apps, which I never used. The 80/20 principle it's a "principle" I knew since I was in my 20's, when the use of dating apps where not so common, I didn't even know there were those kind of statistics in dating apps.
Regarding the pheromones, again, I'm very very (and very) skeptical, because it doesn't explain why men that fap and masturbate a lot and daily (and even have pied) are covered by women hanging around... and the case like the user above, with 5 1/2 years of complete abstinence that didn't found a woman. The most plausible explanation is not pheromones but how you interact with other people that make the difference, which makes more sense to me. Too many people here gives nopmo too much "power" and credit, imho. It is useful, but for only a couple of things.
 
I don't know why you link me to the use of dating apps, which I never used. The 80/20 principle it's a "principle" I knew since I was in my 20's, when the use of dating apps where not so common, I didn't even know there were those kind of statistics in dating apps.
Regarding the pheromones, again, I'm very very (and very) skeptical, because it doesn't explain why men that fap and masturbate a lot and daily (and even have pied) are covered by women hanging around... and the case like the user above, with 5 1/2 years of complete abstinence that didn't found a woman. The most plausible explanation is not pheromones but how you interact with other people that make the difference, which makes more sense to me. Too many people here gives nopmo too much "power" and credit, imho. It is useful, but for only a couple of things.

I honestly didn’t mean to offend you. And yes I did assume because I knew this “rule” statistics were only recently backed by statistical data through apps. It’s never had any other real life evidence. This narrative is like any other false narrative. Who speed it? Why? First off like many other false narratives it starts with money and a product. In this case there are so many hygiene, clothes lines, magazines, cars, accessories etc., that will want you to believe image and wealth are everything. Go back to a time before media of any sort and advertising; this was simply not true. With the rise of advertising and the hunger for new customers very clever tactics subtly and not so subtly hint you are not good enough, attractive enough, smell good…. Etc etc. Sex sells and the 80s gave in in a drastic swing. Gillette and vogue started the campaign for Women shaving. Before this it was very rare. But so common now that it has become synonymous with being clean, fresh and smelling good. All lies. This is only one aspect. But it’s everywhere. Every place you look. Rumors and false information is quickly spread. Especially having to do with sex. All of these lies feed our perception so much that it has become a truth of sorts. Not real truth, but belief. Our minds are everything. If we believe something it becomes a part of our reality. Believe it is hard to find a partner, it will be. Because yes it’s not just P or M. It’s everything. Everything is connected tho. You put one wrong bolt in a plane it’s going down. This doesn’t mean people who use P don’t find a partner. My husband was a heavy user. But I was also a very wounded person with years of abhorrent abuse. He was kind and sweet. He believed in real connection. He knew nothing of this 80/20 rule. He didn’t use apps ever. Instead he believed in in person communication. Had a small town upbringing. I believe it was the fact we are soulmates how and why we met.
 
I honestly didn’t mean to offend you. And yes I did assume because I knew this “rule” statistics were only recently backed by statistical data through apps. It’s never had any other real life evidence. This narrative is like any other false narrative. Who speed it? Why? First off like many other false narratives it starts with money and a product. In this case there are so many hygiene, clothes lines, magazines, cars, accessories etc., that will want you to believe image and wealth are everything. Go back to a time before media of any sort and advertising; this was simply not true. With the rise of advertising and the hunger for new customers very clever tactics subtly and not so subtly hint you are not good enough, attractive enough, smell good…. Etc etc. Sex sells and the 80s gave in in a drastic swing. Gillette and vogue started the campaign for Women shaving. Before this it was very rare. But so common now that it has become synonymous with being clean, fresh and smelling good. All lies. This is only one aspect. But it’s everywhere. Every place you look. Rumors and false information is quickly spread. Especially having to do with sex. All of these lies feed our perception so much that it has become a truth of sorts. Not real truth, but belief. Our minds are everything. If we believe something it becomes a part of our reality. Believe it is hard to find a partner, it will be. Because yes it’s not just P or M. It’s everything. Everything is connected tho. You put one wrong bolt in a plane it’s going down. This doesn’t mean people who use P don’t find a partner. My husband was a heavy user. But I was also a very wounded person with years of abhorrent abuse. He was kind and sweet. He believed in real connection. He knew nothing of this 80/20 rule. He didn’t use apps ever. Instead he believed in in person communication. Had a small town upbringing. I believe it was the fact we are soulmates how and why we met.


I agree with @kenshin81 on this topic.

I have seen this many times on nofap where too much credit and power is given to nofap as if it’s going resolve most of someone’s problems.

I am a prime example of what @kenshin81 is referring to.

i PMO’d for 20 years and suffered from PIED for about 2 years, however this didn’t affect anything in regards to attracting women.

I have always been athletic, represented teams in many sports. I use to be a natural competitive bodybuilder (don’t compete anymore but still train 6 days a week and still have a bodybuilder’s physique). I am financially successful. I have been sexually since since 14 and have never had issues having GF’s, one night stands, FWB and was once even married. I achieved all this while PMO’ing 2-4 hours a day. I also have always had all friends anyone can ask for around me and I’m also only 5’6 height.

Once I realised porn was the cause of my ED, I gave it up and never went back to it, this was of Feb this year. Since I stopped, my life is still exactly the same.

doing nofap can do things such as give you more time to take up hobbies, take care of your health and become more active, socialise with more people and much more, however there is no “aura” or “superpower” when it comes to nofap.

I constantly had women around me and in my life whether it be for relationships or just sexual gratification, yet I was PMO’ing throughout this.
 

Charisma doesn’t just happen, it’s something that is acquired through life experience. Almost everything comes from life experience, it’s a matter of trying to put yourself out there.

what I am trying to say is the idea that nofap brings superpowers is what can take people down a dark path because if they don’t have much of a desired outcome when doing nofap, they will potentially give up on it entirely.

I attracted women while I was PMO’ing and also attracted women while I wasn’t PMO’ing. The only difference nofap gave me was time.

if someone wants to make improvements in themselves, then it comes down to the individual to take initiative. Nofap isn’t the secret potion that will provide this for you. You are the key to your own success
 
Charisma doesn’t just happen, it’s something that is acquired through life experience. Almost everything comes from life experience, it’s a matter of trying to put yourself out there.

what I am trying to say is the idea that nofap brings superpowers is what can take people down a dark path because if they don’t have much of a desired outcome when doing nofap, they will potentially give up on it entirely.

I attracted women while I was PMO’ing and also attracted women while I wasn’t PMO’ing. The only difference nofap gave me was time.

if someone wants to make improvements in themselves, then it comes down to the individual to take initiative. Nofap isn’t the secret potion that will provide this for you. You are the key to your own success

this is something troublesome to me. I read some posts where people have seen massive changes due to nofap. Party I believe because if you are doing nofap you are on a journey to change your life.

for othered they just want a “reboot” so they can feel more and get rid of PIED. It seems like this type is the more skeptical on how much P really affects people.

honestly think everyone is different. Not everyone will have the same symptoms or negative effects of P or M. Just like any other disease you can have common symptoms, you don’t have to have them all, and some people get less severe symptoms in some areas.

I am willing to be that for a lot of people P is a self soothing technique for certain things (anxiety depression) where as for others who didn’t have these P caused it. Of course it’s not the only thing. But a huge factor. And obviously for those with preexisting conditions it only makes those worse. Like I said, it’s not a magic bullet. You have to work on your life as a whole.

But just because you still attracted women means nothing. A lot goes into that. You have good looks and charisma you are a head of the game. In the pheromones research there was still people attracted to people in the control group. Add pheromones and you see an increase. It is undeniable.

It seems like everyone will be affected differently to varying degrees. But I think brushing off some huge changes that some had legitimately experienced as “superpowers” is invalidating to their experience as well as not helping other trying to make change. Maybe they are discouraged by the fact that some say nofap doesn’t or didn’t make huge differences in their life. You never know who will have more benefits than others.

For me I’m only 23 days in to no M. I see huge changes already. And I know from my experiences that I did bad damage to myself. Some that may not be entirely responsible because of how frequently and for how long I’ve been doing it. I am no stranger to P although never had a problem with it wasn’t my go to source for M. But because if who my X was (he worked in the P industry mostly editing video, pictures websites, but was in front of the camera too) My brain has been conditioned too. My husband and I talk about this frequently. Both our tastes have been skewed by P.
 
this is something troublesome to me. I read some posts where people have seen massive changes due to nofap. Party I believe because if you are doing nofap you are on a journey to change your life.

for othered they just want a “reboot” so they can feel more and get rid of PIED. It seems like this type is the more skeptical on how much P really affects people.

honestly think everyone is different. Not everyone will have the same symptoms or negative effects of P or M. Just like any other disease you can have common symptoms, you don’t have to have them all, and some people get less severe symptoms in some areas.

I am willing to be that for a lot of people P is a self soothing technique for certain things (anxiety depression) where as for others who didn’t have these P caused it. Of course it’s not the only thing. But a huge factor. And obviously for those with preexisting conditions it only makes those worse. Like I said, it’s not a magic bullet. You have to work on your life as a whole.

But just because you still attracted women means nothing. A lot goes into that. You have good looks and charisma you are a head of the game. In the pheromones research there was still people attracted to people in the control group. Add pheromones and you see an increase. It is undeniable.

It seems like everyone will be affected differently to varying degrees. But I think brushing off some huge changes that some had legitimately experienced as “superpowers” is invalidating to their experience as well as not helping other trying to make change. Maybe they are discouraged by the fact that some say nofap doesn’t or didn’t make huge differences in their life. You never know who will have more benefits than others.

For me I’m only 23 days in to no M. I see huge changes already. And I know from my experiences that I did bad damage to myself. Some that may not be entirely responsible because of how frequently and for how long I’ve been doing it. I am no stranger to P although never had a problem with it wasn’t my go to source for M. But because if who my X was (he worked in the P industry mostly editing video, pictures websites, but was in front of the camera too) My brain has been conditioned too. My husband and I talk about this frequently. Both our tastes have been skewed by P.


I completely agree on the point that porn is used as a compensation for most people that suffer from psychological/mental struggles relating to things like depression and anxiety.

where I disagree with is the idea that doing nofap can be described as “aura” or “superpowers” just because a “feel”. The way I see it, it’s placebo. It’s like giving someone a pre workout for a gym session and they say “I feel it and I feel energy I have never felt before”, only for you to break it to them and tell them what they had was simply amino acids. It wasn’t the supplement that gave them more energy, it was because they had convinced themselves it will work and got more energy through placebo.

regardless of what the reasons may be for each individual doing nofap, it is this misinformation around superpowers. It isn’t superpowers, it just makes you normal. This is what feeling normal is like.

almost everyone in this world PMO’s, however not many end up like everyone on these forums where it is an addiction. Despite most people watching porn and masturbating, they still accomplish everything they set out to accomplish in life.

my good looks was hard work, I’ve been training for 20 years. Yes, I have great bodybuilding genetics but I still put in the work to achieve this. My career wasn’t handed to me, I went out to achieve this. As for attracting women, this is just through life experience, I put myself out there and it allowed me to understand the dynamics of male and female interactions. Keep in mind, I’m only 5’6. My charisma didn’t fall on my lap, I become charismatic from life experience.

my question is this, if nofap has superpowers, then why did i have no issues with attracting women? Better yet, why didn’t these women sense my “aura” and know I was PMO’ing? I gave up porn in feb this year once I found out the negative effects of it and I will never go back to it. Since giving up PMO, nothing has changed for me other than having extra time. That’s it. Everything else in my life is still exactly the same.

when you acquire time, it will allow you to be healthy, take up hobbies, focus on your career, gain life experience which in itself will bring you confidence and charisma. It isn’t nofap that gave anyone superpowers, it’s the time that it provided for them.

time is the superpower, not nofap
 
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I completely agree on the point that porn is used as a compensation for most people that suffer from psychological/mental struggles relating to things like depression and anxiety.

where I disagree with is the idea that doing nofap can be described as “aura” or “superpowers” just because a “feel”. The way I see it, it’s placebo. It’s like giving someone a pre workout for a gym session and they say “I feel it and I feel energy I have never felt before”, only for you to break it to them and tell them what they had was simply amino acids. It wasn’t the supplement that gave them more energy, it was because they had convinced themselves it will work and got more energy through placebo.

regardless of what the reasons may be for each individual doing nofap, it is this misinformation around superpowers. It isn’t superpowers, it just makes you normal. This is what feeling normal is like.

almost everyone in this world PMO’s, however not many end up like everyone on these forums where it is an addiction. Despite most people watching porn and masturbating, they still accomplish everything they set out to accomplish in life.

my good looks was hard work, I’ve been training for 20 years. Yes, I have great bodybuilding genetics but I still put in the work to achieve this. My career wasn’t handed to me, I went out to achieve this. As for attracting women, this is just through life experience, I put myself out there and it allowed me to understand the dynamics of male and female interactions. Keep in mind, I’m only 5’6. My charisma didn’t fall on my lap, I become charismatic from life experience.

my question is this, if nofap has superpowers, then why did i have no issues with attracting women? Better yet, why didn’t these women sense my “aura” and know I was PMO’ing? I gave up porn in feb this year once I found out the negative effects of it and I will never go back to it. Since giving up PMO, nothing has changed for me other than having extra time. That’s it. Everything else in my life is still exactly the same.

when you acquire time, it will allow you to be healthy, take up hobbies, focus on your career, gain life experience which in itself will bring you confidence and charisma. It isn’t nofap that gave anyone superpowers, it’s the time that it provided for them.

time is the superpower, not nofap

I think (correct me if I wrong) you are misunderstanding what my point is.

my point is people calling it “superpowers” “aura” etc. is wrong. I have only seen people do this when being dismissive of some peoples experiences with quilting.

Again some people experience a bigger impact and more extreme benefits. Not everyone will. But it does have an effect that has been notable in different real research studies.

again. It’s no magic bullet. But I have personally experienced huge change in my husband and I. And in some areas we had quicker changes just due to our other habits and practices.

tThere no doubt and scientific proof on how damaging p is to the brain backed by brain scans. Remove P and there are dramatic changes and healing to the brain. That has an impact.
 
I think (correct me if I wrong) you are misunderstanding what my point is.

my point is people calling it “superpowers” “aura” etc. is wrong. I have only seen people do this when being dismissive of some peoples experiences with quilting.

Again some people experience a bigger impact and more extreme benefits. Not everyone will. But it does have an effect that has been notable in different real research studies.

again. It’s no magic bullet. But I have personally experienced huge change in my husband and I. And in some areas we had quicker changes just due to our other habits and practices.

tThere no doubt and scientific proof on how damaging p is to the brain backed by brain scans. Remove P and there are dramatic changes and healing to the brain. That has an impact.

I agree that porn does have very negative impacts on the brain. It’s why I mentioned once you come off porn you will start to feel a difference and that difference is you regulating back to “normal”.

I don’t deny porn affects the brain, everyone will feel changes because the brain starts to regulate back to normal function once you give up PMO.

maybe I did misunderstand you, my message was trying to point out to people that it’s about self improvement that will resolve your problems. Giving up porn will have changes on your brain, but it isn’t the only reason why someone isn’t successful in aspects of their life which you points out by saying it isn’t a magic bullet.

well done on your 23 day accomplished
 
well done on your 23 day accomplished

Thank you! It has been rough not going to lie. But the thing that keeps me in check is that my husband is more attracted to me when I don’t M. :) and my body odor is way different. Very light and subtle now. Before it was more pungent and sharp smelling. His too. Now that there is no M for me no P or M for him… it’s all different.

like you say “back to normal” but in his context (he is way younger 27) he has never known what normal feels like. He has always had the effects of porn growing up in the Phub era. So think of it like this… the contrast. No as noticeable to the mid30s and 50s generation that knew a time of normality or semi normality. lol as example I was in an extremely abusive relationship (in all ways, same x I referenced above) for 22 years. Extreme mental, emotional, physical and sexual abuse. It was so bad he has strangled me )attempted murder) 3x. Raped several times. Had others rape me. When I finally broke free of the cycle I felt euphoric. Just living life without constantly being oppressed and tortured Felt so good. It’s hard to explain. But it was euphoric. That feeling subsided after a year as My body regulated to normal. But the experience was and is very impactful and beautiful to me. Also as a result I give my husband everything. He is so different night and day. I appreciate who he is to a degree that I don’t think I would have without the stark contrast of my X. I massage him nearly every night. I make sure he has a homemade lunch, clean clothes, clean house. I cater to all sexual interests, not out of duty but desire to make him happy. And because him being turned on him cuming, makes me cum. I fully respect and appreciate him because he is good to me and I feel safe with him. Going through a bump with his PA. But at least I wasn’t blindsided completely. I knew he used P and he knew I M. We just didn’t know how much it effected things until it was getting bad. In our case it made us stronger and more connected. But we’ve always had open honest communication (for the most part) surrounding these topics. He felt safe discussing these issues. But the worse it got the more he hid it and we started to have less intimacy and a division I could feel. If that’s makes sense.

so for some the feeling of the change is just more impactful. I would say this too normalizes after a time. Although the benefits stay. And with more work on other areas in life, other good Healthy changes and time all things are possible. This high speed, free, non-vanilla P is more impactful to people who grew up with it in their youth. It’s what they think normal sex is! It is effecting society as a whole. I wish I could burn it all (the p) to the ground. I wish it didn’t exist. We would be better for it.
 
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