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Relapse Apathy…

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Xue Hua Piao, Oct 25, 2022.

  1. Xue Hua Piao

    Xue Hua Piao Fapstronaut

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    For the last probably week or so I’ve been trying to self-actualise and better myself and to be honest it felt great. I was doing cardio, volunteering at a charity shop, playing guitar, drawing, meditating, doing work…

    today starts off great but then I spend 3 fucking hours playing a game with a mate and felt like I’d just killed the entire day. I had urges before which I stopped with meditation but then in a sense of apathy and lack of care I just relapsed.

    To be honest with you I’m not even sure why. I just thought I’d stop trying. I know I hate my addiction completely. I know I hate the idea of wasting time on it, having a disgusting fucking fetish and objectifying people. But when I relapsed I had no emotion towards it. I know it’s bad for me. But today when I did it it felt good and I don’t even feel the usual guilt or shame despite knowing it’s leading me down the wrong path. I even questioned if I should be quitting it. I mean I’ve literally cried over this and hated myself before but now I sort of just looked at it, knew full well the horrific nature of it and not cared.

    I don’t know what’s going on but I can’t expect myself to improve if I’ve got no motivation to quit it. It feels like after all this time I’ve just given up. I can’t think straight right now. I just want today’s unproductivity to be over so I can start again tomorrow. I relapsed to get rid of this frustration and now I have heaps of it. I know for a fact that I must get rid of my addiction but today it just seems like I don’t care. I mean I’m concerned with my lack of emotion. I’m not even sad about it when it’s really messing up my life. I want to start again with an intense emotion towards it but I just don’t have it. When thoughts creep into my mind I let them stay there and that’s where it starts.


    Has anyone else experienced this or have any advice to get me motivated again and stop the apathy?
     
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  2. DTournesol

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    Don't be hard on yourself for having an unproductive day, or for relapsing. This is all part of the recovery process. Try and focus on making progress... each time by a small step.

    I've also reached a point of relapse where I didn't even realize how it happened. You may feel apathy, or you may feel that you reached a point of no return with your urges and rituals, when you relapse. Triggers can lead you to it. Loneliness, depression or boredom can also lead you to it. Different types of rationalizations for why it's not that bad can lead you to it.

    You're right that you need motivation in order to quit. You can't rely on the initial positive emotions and optimism to reach your recovery, which for many of us, is typically a long journey. Right now it seems that you're in a depressive state, that it's not positive enough, or negative enough. Most of us in such state would continue its use, until we find ourselves in the lowest of lows, where we make the decision to start all over again. But more seriously this time.

    What's important here to realize is that you rationally know the answer. You know the negative effects it has in your life. What I find useful, is to try and take notice in how you're feeling right now. The fact that you didn't get rid of the frustration. The fact that all your problems are still there. Meanwhile, you have to work on thinking about your long term goals. Why do you want to be healthy in the first place?

    Continue doing what you did that made you feel great. You should expect many many bad days. I suggest the following reading, which I found most useful:
    https://www.recoverynation.com/recovery/recovery_workshop_contents.php

    Take care and stay strong my friend
     
  3. I’ve been there. In fact, I was there recently. In all honesty, I’ve had my best streaks following relapses that had no particular rhyme or reason to them, I just did the act on autopilot. Feeling intense guilt, shame, and remorse isn’t an indicator of how capable you are of quitting. As someone who was addicted to alcohol for a long time, the shame, guilt, and remorse that I felt after a binge were never indicators that I was ready to change. It was just more of the same.

    Apathy is a tool that addiction uses to get you to say “f*** it” and let it do what it wants with you. Apathy, in my experience, is also a result of building up these grand resolutions in my head concerning quitting, and then failing. For me the best thing to do has been to “not let the left hand know what the right is doing”. That is, just quietly going about turning over a new leaf. No grand actions. No swearing on God’s throne. No resolutions. Just dusting myself off and going about my business.

    Emotion isn’t always the best guide to action. Emotion never moved me towards doing the right thing. Emotion often leads me away from doing the right thing, because I want to feel good…all the time…at any cost. It can be scary to not feel anything after relapse, as if your conscience is fried, but trust me that’s not the case.
    Emotion is great for art-making and love-making, but not for changing your life, at least in my experience. What does make for change is one, small, productive act at a time, one day at a time, one moment at a time. Hope this helps. Stay up.
     
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  4. Xue Hua Piao

    Xue Hua Piao Fapstronaut

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    Thanks man I really appreciate the advice and for linking the site. I’m back on my feet again now and there’s no fucking way I’m relapsing
     
  5. Xue Hua Piao

    Xue Hua Piao Fapstronaut

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    Thanks for the reply man. You’re right. Emotions can change quickly or worse just work to keep us down. I’ve decided to take things slow and steady and it’s looking up for me at the moment
     
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