Religion?

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  1. I'm odd so that perhaps explains why I find the question odd ;)
    I've never bothered to write the following down, so it's an exercise in thinking things through, so forgive the chunkiness..

    To me a better question is: "what do you think religion is?"

    For me religion is: "what you believe will lead to joy".

    Most people seem to skip recognizing this as the fundamental starting point of what religion is about ( those who write dictionaries included ) and jump ahead to specifics while losing sight of what the specifics are for.

    And since I don't believe there is such a thing as a human who does not want joy, it follows I believe all humans have religion... i.e. they know, feel they know, believe they know, have an indication of a direction to go, that will lead to happiness.

    And likewise we all have either explicit or implicit beliefs on the value and origin of truth, the meaning of life, what love is etc. etc.
     
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  2. Esteban

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    "I am a Catholic who struggles with my faith"

    The Roman Catholic Church is an industry that produces atheists.
     
  3. Esteban

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    Hi MrMommandAddicted,

    why is the Christian God the right God?
    ==> Did you made research on other deities? what about no deities? Can't you answer you own questions? Do you think one can actually respond to that question that easily?

    Why is Catholicism the right flavor of Christianity?
    ==> It's not.
    Why do I need a religious institution when I can follow the exact same morals without the dogma?
    ==> Where do these morals come from ? Why would you need a dogma. there is not dogma in the NT.
    Aren't you interested in the truth?

    If I were born into a Mormon family or a Hindu family or a Muslim family, I would most likely believe in their God, so, why would God allow for the geography of someones birth determine the ease of which they can enter heaven?
    ==> Not even true. Haven't you heard any conversion testimonies? But anyway, how do you assume it's unfair that some people are less likely to come to God? Don't you first know that it's God Himself that makes you want to come to Him?
     
  4. JustADude

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    I have done much research. There is plenty more to do. I have not found enlightenment yet. I am always looking to be influenced and enlightened by thoughtful and spiritual people in my life.

    What is "NT"?

    Well... I have heard conversion testimonies of people who left Christianity for Islam, who left Islam from Christianity, who left the Latter Day Saints for Catholocism, who left Catholocism for the Latter Day Saints, from God to Atheism, etc. etc. If God is causing people to go to him, you would think they on average that they would all be going to the same religion.

    @Esteban, you have peaked my curiosity with your comments. Which religion are you a member of?
     
  5. Esteban

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    Not necessarily, some people consider that God chooses whoever He wants to, and has already chosen. even before the fall.
    In your statement you made the hypothesis that God drove everyone, but He doesn't.

    I am kin of a anti denominational. It helps for sure to know people standards for instance. But I'm convinced the Church of God is not material and is only constituted by the people God chose to be saved.
    You could say I'm close to a Lutheran but don't have any dogma.

    What about you ?
     
  6. JustADude

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    As you can probably tell, I am a bit of a lost soul. But, I was raised Catholic and I attend Catholic mass on Sundays. I am raising my kids to be Catholic.
     
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  7. Esteban

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    Hello again,

    I was raised a Catholic but flee from their evil doctrine. Don't mean to be rude but that's what I think. Yet I still think some Catholics have a true relationship with God.
    Jesus came to gather the lost sheeps. It's no problem to sin. The problem is ego. Just repent (to God, not to so called "Father") and acknowledge your sin. That's my way of thinking. Actually that's not mine : that's what the Bible tells and I think Romanists would agree with that.
     
  8. Phibz

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    Religion is the opposite of faith. Religion is a belief in something that one would assume is true. Faith is more of a leap into the unknown. There is no "truth" seeking. I just love how all these religious people come here for help. Why can't these issues be dealt with in church? Why can't prayer help these people? They say it helps. But I almost feel like they're trying to convince me. Especially, when I look at their counters. Religion labels masturbation as "immoral." I see religion as immoral. It robs innocent children of the ability to make rational decisions in life. They grow up talking to imaginary idols, rather than talking to fellow humans. Their brains are conditioned to the point that reality is beyond their grasp. They're focused on getting into heaven. That imaginary place in the sky where everything will be all better. I think that is delusional. Don't get me wrong. I'm a Jesus fan. The fact that Jesus existed is very plausible to me. There are enlightened people among us today. I'm just not buying into the supernatural bs. Why should I? I used to be "saved." But now being saved means saved from the grip of delusion and fear of the unknown. Hope this didn't offend too many of you.
     
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  9. Esteban

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    I'll address all of your point since I disagree with all of them. I'm gonna sleep a little because I'm tired.
    Just to give you a glimpse.

    This doesn't make sense. In the Oxford dictionary those words are defined as shown above :
    =>Religion: The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods this goes along with a particular system of faith and worship.
    =>Faith : Strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof or a particular religion.

    ==> Exact same thing <==

    You don't need to be so butt hurt about the fact that some people think this or that.

    That's really the most laughable thing some atheists are used to say. I mean don't know offense is taken and not given ?
    It is not because one systematically and irrevocably says the exact same thing like "fap is immoral" that they want to convince you. You take it as that, but it's not. If I were to say that apple is a fruit a hundred times, would you still feel like my statement on those apples is forced upon you?

    Just this sentence ridicules your whole comment.

    Groundless claim and a complete strawman.

    I guess that sums up pretty well your comment. You think. YOU. You don't provide any evidence for your foolish claim.
    Besides, it is completely of topic. The only offended dude here, I'm sorry to inform you, is you !
    I hope I did not offend you (LOL)
     
  10. Phibz

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    Boy, somebody is really worked up. Wonder why?
     
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  11. So according to Oxford dictionary religion is basically theism... I rarely try to quibble with the writers of dictionaries but such a definition makes you wonder if the ppl who wrote that dictionary perhaps have an agenda...? wanting to divide religious vs non-religious...? with an undertone of them vs us, enlightened vs dumb, primitives vs moderns perhaps?

    We all have beliefs about the meaning, value and purpose of life and what leads to joy and what does not, what is good for you and others and what is not, and no one has original ideas about this, all of those ideas are taken with a great deal of faith... either in reaction against or conformance with some (group of) ppl
     
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  12. Esteban

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    nice rebuttal..
     
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  13. Esteban

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    No. Don't try to read what's not written. It's pointless.

    Yes we all have different standards of living, yes believing in Jesus might not make you joyful. But one might be interested to know the origin of such standards and perhaps a unique source for those. If there is any.
     
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  14. I was born into Atheist family.

    When, I was a kid I was thinking about Lord.

    I have got "Old Testament for Kids" when I was a kid. It resonated with me.

    I have moved away from faith in the same time when I started with porn.

    Faith simply did not matter...

    I started to struggle more and more. I was trying to be moral and do good but I was struggling with abuse on daily basis.

    I was fapping every day.

    Then I saw "God's not dead" and my life changed.

    I started to see higher purpose in things.

    I started to follow Bible, got interested in Christian movies.

    Bible provided answers to many questions about how to deal with problems in my life.

    Don't get me wrong, I fail my Lord every day... but I am trying to do better. That makes all the difference...
     
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  15. ChronicTeen

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    I'm glad that you're trying to do better, your counter right there is proof of that. Congrats :)!
     
  16. Mr Eko

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    religion doesn't help me althogether but faith in God absolutely does.
    What does it mean?
    Mere going to church, doing some traditional devotion, praying with lips...... has never helped me. But trusting God, prayer as a meeting with God, reading Bible as true and bounding words of God to me .... all this has caused that today I regard myself as cured from this addiction. I haven't used other approaches besides deepening my faith. Especially prayer at the moment of temptation and some sort of making pledges to God.
     
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    Dude congrats on 460 days!!
    I truly admire and respect the way in which you use religion to help you, it's good to see how it benefits people like you!
     
  18. Esteban

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    LoL, that's the definition of religion you just gave ;)
    Anyway, keep,vigilant, congrats on your 461 days !
     
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    Hi Esteban,

    I've got my own definition of religion and faith. What is faith is written for me in the Bible and not in a dictionary. Jesus , for example, never spoke about a religion, He spoke about faith. A child of a pagan woman was cured by Jesus because she had faith in Jesus. Her religion was not Judaism. So, what helped her? - a religion or faith in Jesus?
    You can be very religious but totally without faith. You know - you can attend church regularly, you can pray every day...... but you can do all this like a robot repeating some mantras, doing it because your parents did so and you had to do it or you didn't know another style of life.... But in your life you can make decisions like a pagan - choosing PMO, taking drugs, lying, being a scoundrel towards others........... this all do religious people, but if you have a living faith, you live by faith - trying to do more and more what Jesus did. And then you start to experience some miracles in your life. My soberness is a miracle because I was heavy PMO addicted for 33 years. I was addicted more time than many of you are old.
    Yes, reading from your profile you are 22. My addiction lasted 33 years. Imagine - this is your whole life and a half. Do you know many people who after 30 plus years of drug consuming are sober now? Therefore I say about a miracle caused by God.
    All those 33 years I was a religious man, sometimes a very religious. In spite of this I remained addicted because it was only religion. I was cured when I started to really trust in God, have faith in Him. Therefore religion and faith are two realities. It's not the same. If it were - all the believers on this forum were cured. But look at the counters ....
     
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  20. Esteban

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    outch, lost me there.
    Again, you don't understand what religion is. Okay I'm going to explain to you : you confuse religion for dogma.
    You don't understand why Jesus cured her. the reason was probably more simple. Show that he could do miracles (so he's the one announced by Isaiah), and include non Jewish people into the alliances.
    Yeah I completely agree with that. Believing in Jesus is still a religion. You just have a problem of semantic.
    Well Now I guess that would depend on what you describe as a miracle. Many people have a different idea on what a miracle is. They expect for instance miracles like splitting a sea into two, or bringing people back to life (Lazarus) or having their limbs grow back (Malchus) etc...
    You can see why your soberness is quite a bit different.
    Aside that, brethren, I'm glad you've been abstaining from P for so long.. You are a motivation to me ! Thank you !
    I'm on my 30th day today, with my first counter. I will think of you now and your story to have some courage. much thanks !

    I like talking with you, anytime you want to talk, don't hesitate :)
     

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