Thank you for being blunt. Sometimes that's just how you have to say it. I understand. Any time he relapses I'm not like "aw it's ok I know you had no choice. It was your addiction" no no no. I make consequences I actually moved out for 3 months. The next day after I moved out he found a therapist and psychiatrist. And started to see them. So ultimatums do work! Just the other night we talked about me moving back in because he's been doing better. But I told him if I have to move out a second time that will be my last time no exceptions. I am giving him a pat on the back because he had no idea it was an addiction until last December. He would PMO 3-5 times a day since the age of 15. No one ever told him it was wrong he didn't know it wasn't normal there wasn't anyone to tell him it wasn't okay. No one ever knew about it except me last December I called him out on it so he didn't think he needed help and was genuinely confused when I told him not everyone does it that often. So he is trying to change everything he ever thought was normal which I can't imagine how difficult it must be. But he's gone from 3-5 times a day to once every other week some times once a week. The goal is to stop completely. The problem is he promised to tell me when he was feeling week or if he slipped up. And the last two times he kept it from me. We talked on Sunday night about that and gave him another ultimatum. I'm not moving back in... Ever. We will never have the family we always talk about having. I'm not going to be lied to anymore. This is it. And The very next day immediately after work he went straight to the computer and found the number for this group who specializes in sex addiction. He read everyone's profile and found a therapist that would be a good fit for him. He called the guy and set up his first appointment. Like I stated earlier he was seeing a therapist but she was just for addiction so we think someone whose career is dedicated to finding solutions to this behaviour would be best. That has given me hope. I am in no way excusing his wrong doings by blaming it on the addiction. But I also understand how strong of a hold it can have on him. I hope some day we can get to where you and your wife are. Congratulations on all the hard work you've put in and the outcome that has produced.