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Sex Addicts Anonymous UK

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Dave G 123, Jun 8, 2022.

  1. Dave G 123

    Dave G 123 Fapstronaut

    Hi,

    Does anyone have any experience of going to Sex Addicts Anonymous in the UK?

    If so, how did it go? Was it useful?

    I am thinking of going to a local meeting, but am doubtful about anonymity, and also about whether it's really the most useful thing for someone with porn issues rather than sex - ie do they really know that much about PMO?

    DG
     
  2. Psalm27:1my light

    Psalm27:1my light Fapstronaut

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    My husband isn’t in the UK but he goes to one here in the USA. He’s been going to the same ones for 3 years. He said it definitely helps him. He is a pa.
     
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  3. Longtime27

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    Hi @Dave G 123, wow I can't believe your post got such a minimal response from the community.

    I do (now) regularly attend meetings of SAA and can safely say it's a powerful tool in the toolbelt of recovery and abstinence. I've learned so much that NoFAP alone would not have taught me.

    There seems to me a real disconnect between NoFap and SAA. This forum requires use of a device with the internet... for many of us that is the first part of the problem / risk. So it's great to find something that requires talking, reading, listening, showing up in person. When engaging in those activities i'm not thinking about the next fap or PMO session.

    I would say that meetings all have a different atmosphere due to the turnout and individuals involved, but I take away positive messages and affirmations every time I go, and it has helped me greatly. happy to chat more via DM if there's anything you'd like to know
     
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  4. Longtime27

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    @Dave G 123

    I should have said also, many of the people in the meetings I've been in, their primary compulsions are around porn and PMO. They will be able to relate, and you will be amongst people such as yourself and other NoFap users in my experience. I am also in the UK. And whilst the meetings are anonymous, people do like to talk so just be mindful not to divulge anything too personal about your life. :)
     
  5. Dave G 123

    Dave G 123 Fapstronaut

    @Longtime27 Wow, thanks your your replies.

    I'd forgotten that I'd even made this post. I was coming back round to looking at SAA anyway - I tried therapy (again...) last summer instead of SAA, but it did not go well. So these are timely replies of yours. I am currently looking at another form of therapy, and considering SAA as an alternative if that doesn't work out, or as an addition to go with it. The main problem I have at the moment is physical exhaustion - just getting to a meeting would be difficult because of that. That's part of the trap that I'm in - I'm just too exhausted to help myself in any meaningful way, most of the time. Or at least that's where I am ATM.

    I get your point about there being a disconnect between SAA and Nofap. I've barely seen anything on here about SAA, so maybe it's not too surprising that there was only one reply before. I did come across one post where a Fapstronaut had gone to SAA and had some pretty bad experiences, but I'm not sure how much store to put in the claims of the person in question - he seemed a bit weird to begin with. Beyond that, my best guess is that it takes much more commitment and courage to physically show up in a face to face meeting and admit some of your most personal things, rather than be completely anonymous online. It's something I am dreading, but whether it is (group) therapy or SAA, it's something I'm going to have to do. Basically I have to take risks to get well, or stay in the current hell that I'm in.

    The main things that have put me off considering SAA before are 1) the religious / "giving in to a higher power" aspect, 2) the "making amends" part and 3) the labeling / naming of SAA.

    I don't have a problem with religion per se, but the higher power bit seems to be... dis-empowering - I just don't get how admitting that I'm powerless in the face of my addiction is going to help. I admit that I'm extremely weak in the face of temptation, but not powerless.

    With the making amends, who do I do this to? All the women I didn't ask out on a date because I wanted to stay home and PMO? There are also the culty connotations that go with SAA / AA - I have been around people in actual cults in the past, and it is not something I necessarily want to have to deal with when feeling so physically and emotionally drained to begin with. I guess it depends on the people that actually attend and run my local SAA group.

    Also really interesting to hear you say that primary compulsions are around porn / PMO. In a way I'm not surprised, simply because porn is so easy to get a hold of compared to sex. But it would be helpful if that was in the title - like "Porn and sex addicts anon" or something - my therapist, last summer, did suggest that I try SAA, and I remember saying that I had doubts about it because I could be the only person with a porn addiction - talking to a bunch of people that have addictions relating to actual sex with other people. But maybe not! One of the reasons I am thinking about the new group therapy is that it is marketed as being about porn and sex, rather than one or the other.

    Also there's the anonymity bit. For one thing, my local SAA meetings are literally held over the road from the building I used to work in. Although meetings are held in the evening, there's a real chance that I could see people I used to work with, when going in to meetings - and of course, who knows who I'd meet in the meetings themselves? So I also take your point about anonymity. It's tricky.

    Again, many thanks for your replies - they may nudge me in the direction of going to SAA. Either way, as and when I do SAA or therapy it will go in my journal - I dodged putting therapy in there last summer for various reasons, but if SAA proves useful to me, it might be useful to others here to know about it.

    Cheers,

    DG
     
  6. Psalm27:1my light

    Psalm27:1my light Fapstronaut

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    You can always do phone in meetings for saa. That’s what my husband did in Ca. When literally everything was shut down. He continued with the phone in because it saved him 2 hours of driving to meetings. He too was worried at first because he “ only” had a problem with porn. He’s been going for 4 years now, 3 different group meetings a week and every time he says “ even when I think maybe I don’t need to go or I won’t get anything from it, I end up getting something”. He is far more strict with himself than the sa group teaches but it still helps.
     
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  7. luxtorpeda

    luxtorpeda Fapstronaut

    Hi, I think what you're looking for might be SA (Sexoholics Anonymous), they're generally lust oriented, not only sex like noticed. The meetings I've been to, people were struggling primaly with PMO and more extreme versions of it.

    But, like mentioned before, it really depends on the group if you find what you're looking for. For me, the group was missing someone who actually recovered and was close to my age.

    Good job on having caurage to reach out for help. Stay hopeful!
     
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  8. Longtime27

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    @Dave G 123 Glad my reply came at a useful time! To be honest even with SAA meetings, i'm still liable to caving in myself, and nearly did as recently as half an hour ago.

    In the meetings i've been to, there are most definitely men and women who are cheerful, happy, have an aura of positivity, through managing their addictions and sharing their problems. And, from bettering their life, and the others around them in the process. I would say, the majority of men have a their primary issue with Porn, though it isn't always discussed, but as you say, Porn is such a problem because it's available in vast amounts, without interruption, once you're an adult.

    I am not currently fully adhering to all the step work, and all the recommendations, but what I would say is that i've gained so much perspective and removed many layers of guilt and shame through sharing, and hearing others share. The makings amend seems to come in many forms, but if you have anyone in your life who you've directly harmed or could have been better for if it wasn't for your addiction, you'll know it in your heart. The higher power element also can be 'perceived' in a number of ways.

    I'd massively recommend 'Russell Brand - Recovery' as a read. He sheds a more modern view of the 12 steps and helps to make them more understandable without the fully religious or 'Christian' framing.

    You can go to saainfo.uk and find a meeting that does Online, you don't really even have to speak if you don't wish to. This would be the best way to try it perhaps?

    Or as @luxtorpeda says above, perhaps Sexaholics is worth a look also.

    Feel free to DM me if you want to know any more :)
     
  9. Dave G 123

    Dave G 123 Fapstronaut

    Thanks again for your reply.

    It's good to know that things are perhaps a little more flexible, and less dogmatic in terms of what you might be expected to do. I've got a lot to think about.

    From your experience, is it a bit weird having women in the room? Nothing against women as such, but given the situation re porn, it must surely be awkward for both men and women...? The group therapy I've been looking at is only men.

    Cheers, and stay strong!
     
  10. Longtime27

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    @Dave G 123

    In short, no not at all for me. I think it would be much weirder / tougher being the woman/women in the room with a majority male group of sex addicts. I think of them as courageous, and whilst I haven't engaged on a more personal level with any of the women so far, I don't feel any more / less shame or guilt about sharing if there are women present.

    At the end of the day you're all there for one reason, to remind yourself of your desire for recovery, or to seek help from others. I've no doubt sex addiction manifests itself differently for women, but no doubt also many women are porn users. It does just seem to be a predominantly male problem with brainwashing and alck of control.

    Hope that helps
     
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  11. Dave G 123

    Dave G 123 Fapstronaut

    So I've ordered the Green book from SAA. I'll post here any thoughts once I've started reading it.
     
  12. born3

    born3 Fapstronaut

    I don't go to SAA but have done a fair amount of 12 step fellowship in my time. Regards the powerlessness thing, the question to ask yourself is, "if I have the power to stop why haven't I? Why has it got to the point where I am even seeking out solutions if I have the power to stop. Paradoxically by admitting defeat( the ego really hates that) you can then find the strength to beat it. I totally understand where you are coming from though, I think its a normal reaction. But by default if I don't have the power to stop something, to some extent you can say I am power-less. Admitting you are extremally weak is pretty close to that anyway so you are probably where you need to be but possibly blocked by the language of it.

    Just so you know to get to this point would take a fair amount of time and a lot of work. It is way way off before you would do anything in this area. You would have to be well into your recovery and program first. This would all be done very sensitively and you would be prepared. Amends are a way of clearing up the past, they don't have to be PMO related but they could be.

    I totally understand this. I think its very dependent on the meeting, just try going to a few different ones.
     
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  13. Dave G 123

    Dave G 123 Fapstronaut

    Many thanks for your thoughtful replies. A lot to think about.

    I'm relieved to hear what you say about making amends - the vision I had of it in my imagination seemed pretty suicidal, like approach former colleagues and saying "sorry I was a brain-dead f*ck up for the last few years". I am looking at what groups operate where I live - as far as I'm aware, there is only one, but it took me a fair amount of searching to even find that - I guess SAA type groups don't want to be to open about things!
     
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  14. born3

    born3 Fapstronaut

    No problem. Its probably just that it is the only meeting near you for that fellowship. Just so you know there are a couple of others there is SA and SLAA, SLAA is a pretty big umbrella of different things but there are plenty of P addicts there. Its probably worth looking through both of their websites.
     
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  15. Dave G 123

    Dave G 123 Fapstronaut

    Just to be clear, SA = Sexaholics Anonymous, and SLAA = Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous?

    Cheers.
     
  16. born3

    born3 Fapstronaut

    Yes.
     
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  17. Dave G 123

    Dave G 123 Fapstronaut

    Looks like there are chapters of all three in my nearest city. Time to do some research.

    Thanks again for your suggestions.
     
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  18. Dave G 123

    Dave G 123 Fapstronaut

    I finally made it to my first meeting of SAA, so thought I'd give a bit of an outline, after first impressions.

    It is a small, friendly group. Definitely glad I went. I think to begin with it's important to just get there to a face to face meeting, rather than "think about it" and keep putting it off. However, for anyone reading this who is after a gentle take-off, I'm glad I read the Green Book cover to cover beforehand - so I would recommend that as a starting point if possible.

    My main doubt about going was whether SAA is really suitable for a porn addict, but it looks to me like I'm not the only one there with P as being a significant problem, so I'm pretty sure now that it is the right place for me to be. I do wonder if the name should be changed to "Porn and Sex Addicts Anonymous".

    I was also apprehensive about just showing my face. There is always the chance that I might meet someone from my "real" / "former" life, and also just the fact that I was going in to a room of strangers and confessing one of my most guarded secrets; there's no getting away from the fact that that is a weird thing to do. But it was OK on the night, and I got the impression that we were all in pretty much the same boat, which made it easier.

    Also, being realistic, I think everyone with an addiction is balancing two opposing forces - the urge to act out, versus their ability / willingness to suffer. For me my suffering is out-weighing my urge to act out so much that I am very motivated to get out of my comfort zone and take risks in order to end the suffering (in a positive way!). I wasn't quite there a year ago, but I sure am now, and this manifested in me showing up at my first meeting without that much in the way of nerves, but with a profound sense of relief.

    Bottom line: if you're really stuck, I'd say give it a try.
     
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  19. Psalm27:1my light

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    My husband has a good group of men outside sa that hold each other accountable. Getting sone accountability partners really helped him too. Glad you made it you a meeting!
     
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  20. born3

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    Nice one Dave. Glad you made it to a meeting!
     
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