Shemale/gay porn is the "natural" progression from "straight porn"

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  1. ultrafabber

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    edit: a person mentioned this could be triggering so...potential trigger ahead

    Straight porn conditions you to be sexually aroused and orgasm seeing erect penises, seeing other men in sexual situations etc. It's a very straight forward case of Classical conditioning. If you ever heard of Pavlov's dog, that's what porn is doing to you - conditioning to (first) not be bothered by dick, then (secondly) to like dick.

    I keep trying to warn people that watching "straight porn" (boy/girl porn) IS AN EXTREMELY DAMAGING AND FUCKED UP BEHAVIOR.

    You're associating "sex" with erect penises and MEN. When you have real sex with a woman you never see ANOTHER MAN and you rarely even see your own dick, let alone another guy's dick. When you have sex you JUST SEE A WOMAN. When you orgasm, you see her face or her hair usually, NOT ANOTHER GUY ON TOP OF A WOMAN. That's why interracial porn is even worse, cause it CAN'T be you, it's obviously another man.

    So you just orgasm while seeing another guy's dick and another guy. All of that while you're stroking a dick (doesn't matter that it's your own). Of course you'll get SAME SEX ATTRACTION or dick attraction on top of regular attraction.
     
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  2. Trinere

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    Well written its true.
     
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  3. welp, the male is usually the center of attraction for men
     
  4. Salute77

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    Bro its so true. I never followed through on looking at gay porn but the thought came across my mind. It's crazy. Porn is so damaging both physically and mentally.
     
  5. Pexton

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    After many years of using pornography, a man follows sensation and taboo, because ordinary sex shown in films is constantly monotonous. Then he ceases to be important to him, not what exactly he watches, then only the effect of shock is important , it doesn't matter from what. Like an alcoholic who would drink everything to get drunk, it's just addiction to the brain. I have had a standard HOCD for a long time but it did not affect pornography at all. When I used pornography on this time , I was satisfied, I did not notice the addiction (which progressed). But with the time i watched various straight content that was more and more unusual.
    One day I was disgusted when a young girl made a blowjob to an old guy, and he was ejaculated in her mouth and he made strange noises,
    I was very much disgusted and felt unpleasant sensations in the mouth caused by stress I was disgusted, but HOCD told me to check this movie, and i was checked if I'm excited or not (of course not but this is typical example of HOCD, it works on the principle of opposites. Since then I have started having unpleasant thoughts about penises shown in pornography and generally male bodies (but these were not fantasies, but disgust and fear) I started to test straight films (looking on guys) and I was afraid that I was gay. I started to test gay movies and see if I like them, and even masturbate to ,,better" check. It was worse, as always in such stories for all suffering from HOCD. Apart from this, my standard addiction has progressed and escalated. Maybe if not checking gay movies before I would refrain from watching them later? Anyway after a few years of addiction, I started masturbating into things so strange that it scared me. And when it turned out that gay porn is one of them (There are a lot of them, and they are sick) , I decided to stop it decisively. I tried to stay away from this every day for a few days, but so far I'm losing. I've been watching standard porn lately, but I do not want to do it anymore and return to normal life. Be a normal guy with work, friends, girlfriend. But this nasty addiction and HOCD (which after years became porn induced) block me and make my world shrink. I have the impression that it is worse than ever before. But I would like to see that anyone addicted to porn who is fed up with it and is terrified, and all fighters with HOCD be free and happy. If God really exists, he should free us from this hell and let us enjoy our lives , because everyone has only one.

    Regards and you do not take this shit. Do not let him win this fight against you and everything you really like and love.
     
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  6. krabbra

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    I believe this is very accurate. How do you think one can work on healing from this damage?
     
  7. ultrafabber

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    I fully believe one can heal from this damage, especially because at some point the person was a healthy functioning male. Porn and masturbation just conditioned him wrongly.

    I wrote a topic about it but it has been very controversial and so far people haven't been very open minded about it. https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.p...need-to-watch-porn-in-a-different-way.235748/

    Since the unhealthy conditioning was to associate arousal with sexual fantasy, masturbation and porn, one needs to cut the link between those.

    First and foremost, if you're straight or want to be straight, masturbation needs to go completely as it is a homosexual act - it's basically training yourself to be aroused while stroking a dick, you're orgasming with a dick in your hand and so on. This is completely the opposite of what should be in your hands when you're having sex - a woman.

    I routinely compare masturbation to sucking a dick and remind people that most men like to think that masturbation is perfectly normal, yet the same men will be completely horrified by the thought of sucking their own dick to ejaculation. I'm not saying they should, that's a deranged act, but that they need to understand that logically they should be totally ok with sucking their dick to ejaculation since they're totally ok with stoking their dick to ejaculation.

    Second, over time, you need to be able to watch porn and not be aroused by it. The first stage of this step is to rationally understand that there is nothing arousing seeing the woman you like getting railed and on top of that, that it is extremely emasculating to jerk off to it - it is, as i said in OP, a cuckold act. After you understand and accept you should not get aroused by porn, you have to actually start watching porn and not get aroused by it - telling yourself it's just two people that have had sex some time ago and that it has nothing to do with you.

    Ultimately, sex fantasizing needs to go completely. Your mind needs to understand that sexual arousal is related to actual opportunities of having sex, not imaginary ones.

    I plan on writing extensively about it and making a webpage and youtube channel at some point but in the meantime if you have any questions let me know.
     
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  8. guy_376

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    Interesting thread! I think that the xtra big dick in porn is also there to intimidate the rest of us and make us feel inadequate, so that we keep watching and stroking. If you've ever watched a gang bang, it is pretty much all about the guys, not the girl either.
     
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  9. krabbra

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    These are some excellent points, truly. Wow, the mind and it’s self-programming is so strange.

    Have you had any success with this?
     
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  10. AtomicTango

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    I'm pretty sure I read somewhere on here that men are actually wired to become aroused somewhat by the sight of other mens penises because it was a primal way of allowing us to compete with those other men for the attention of women back when we lived in packs out in the wild. I honestly dont know how true this is, I cant remember all the details, but if it is, it makes a fair amount of sense, and also offers a biological explanation as to why porn fucks you up so badly, it literally conditions you to become aroused to "compete" in a context where theres no way you can win, and over time this messes you up.

    Even if what I have suggested is not true or in some way inaccurate, a lot of what OP has said seems like insanity when you first read it, but then when you think about it, suddenly it makes sense, its borderline obvious honestly. I wouldn't go as far as to say masturbation is a homosexual act, its more autosexual/narcissistic to me, but it still brings up a question noone pro-masturbation has been able to answer; if masturbation is so healthy and normal, why does it make me feel like shit when I do it? If porn is normal, why do I feel like shit when I use it? It cant just be ejaculation, as I dont feel bad when I have wet dreams, which I have all the time. Drinking water feels good, and is healthy and natural, so is breathing, or feeling the sun on your skin. Masturbating to excess, with porn or not, is not healthy, and while it may be natural in the sense that its a thing living things do, well thats hardly an argument. Its also "natural" to die of the flu or eat a random berry and die, yet we dont do these things, but we still masturbate because we are fooled into thinking its normal. Enough of that bullshit, its not.
     
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  11. randomname3

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    I think the op makes a great point.
    [Likely triggering material ahead]
    All I ever wanted to watch was stuff with two girls. I'd almost always skip past or look away any kind of penetration since it grossed me out. And if a man showed up on screen, I'd almost always switch to something else in disgust.
    It always seemed obvious straight pornography was just a precursor to gay stuff and I wanted no part of it.
     
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  12. ultrafabber

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    Yes i have, otherwise i wouldn't have forwarded it to others. I had been trying and failing to do nofap for 6-7 years and the only thing that worked was that system of systemic exposure and way of thinking. I am no longer aroused by porn, i can watch porn like I watch the news or a documentary. I also lost any impulse to masturbate.

    No, this is something pushed by p companies and p addicts, trying to normalize their behavior. We are attracted to a woman that is sexually available and we are aroused by her vocalizations because that usually means she's having sex with us. Other than that, what comes on top of that (male erect penises, bodies etc) should turn us off.

    It's the same lie as the "men are visually aroused" - a lie pushed to justify/normalize playboy/hustler/erotic clips/p movies etc.

    Yes, i can imagine it sounds insane at first, but that's just because people don't really stop and think what they're doing when they masturbate because their rational mind shuts off. And because the behavior (porn/masturbation) is so normalized in western society and pushed as "healthy" (with 0 evidence).

    The thing with homosexual acts is that people understand homosexuality wrong. Homosexuality as a sexual identity/orientation was something made up in the 1800s, before that it was always about being the active (male) or passive (male that assumed the role of a woman). Homosexuality was something that older men did with boys/teens. It was actually seen as degrading to the older man to be the passive one.

    That's why taking a dildo up your ass is a homosexual act and so is getting pegged by a woman a homosexual act. You're taking/handling a dick or dick substitute.

    For example, people will say it's never gay if another man is not involved but imagine this scenario: buffed Arnold Schwartzenegger is the Terminator. He is a very realistic humanoid (which is what we're going to have in a decade or two anyway). So let's say the Terminator fcks you and you enjoy it. People will say that's not a homosexual act because the Terminator is not human, but that's obviously wrong. Then you extrapolate that to getting a dildo up your ass or you riding a part of the terminator (torso and pelvis with the D). Those are all homosexual acts.

    Thank you, that's exactly my point. The issue is that i didn't even realize that men like you exist, i just assumed every man watches "boy girl" porn. I never questioned that until some dude said he's weirded out by guys in porn and then it made sense to me that a guy should turn me off, not on.

    And i remembered how grossed out i was when i saw my first explicit porn movie and the erect dicks i saw. It's just that over time i became desensitized to dicks.

    I wrote a topic a while ago that we're the first generation to see THOUSANDS of erect dicks, whereas our ancestors only saw one erect dick in their life - their own.
     
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  13. randomname3

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    Another great point. Rather than fiction imitating reality, the folks in this industry are making reality imitate fiction. Why do you think people are bleaching their backside and waxing their genitals all of the sudden? You guessed it. And why is it, for instance, that most actresses don't want to do any interracial stuff yet producers push them to do it even when the final product can rarely turn a profit? It's not mere market forces operating here, it's a plot to subvert society.
     
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  14. ultrafabber

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    Exactly. I'd say it's most obvious with cuckold stuff. Cuckold/hotwife/bbc was virtually non-existent even 10 years ago now it's literally booming. Cuckoldry actually imitates a guy's role as he watches "boy girl" porn. The man is trained to find it arousing that the woman he wants gets f by another guy. Millions of men are trained intro cuckoldry.

    I forgot to ask you one thing - about you perceiving straight pornography as just a precursor to gay stuff. I do agree with you but the difference is that you figured this out intuitively while i figured this out cognitively.

    Could you think and describe in more detail what made you reach that conclusion? Basically what was the thought process and/or feelings to that?

    Like i said, in my case i remember being seriously disturbed and disgusted when i saw my first straight porn scene, especially on the ejaculation scene.
     
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    Yep it was intuitive so I never had to think about it. Pretty much I always thought looking at unclothed men or fallaces other than my own was gay. And I thought getting turned on by watching a man was gay.
    It's usually pretty difficult to not look at both people, and as a straight man I didn't want to get turned on by seeing another man on screen, and it grossed me out anyway. Thus, conditioning myself to like watching boy girl stuff would be equivalent to gay conditioning.
     
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  16. Tony34irish

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    Amen to this
     
  17. Riz@123

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    So how do you distract yourself or advice someone if that person going through such Condition
     
  18. That might explain some fetishes where it's not about seeing other man/woman. Your theories really seem sound.
     
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  19. miXhal

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    Well said, I think I can confirm, it worked this way for me too.

    Just please, include trigger warning or something to this thread, it may be dangerous for some of us.
     
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  20. Pexton

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    The key is the shock effect, the increase in the level of dopamine. Old movies no longer give it as much as before. So you're looking for something different, then again. With time, it does not matter who is having sex, it would be important something new and unusual, controversial and perverse. The old perversions are now something ordinary, so you are looking for new ones. Over time, however, you will reach the point where you cross the border and start to watch things that you think are incompatible with you. Until quite recently you would not believe that you could watch it now. Then you notice a problem that you have not seen before. If for this reason you will panic your psyche can fall over like a house of cards because of depression, sense, guilt, disgust. Then HOCD may occur or if someone had it before, his HOCD will get worse. The best rescue is a reboot and a visit to a psychologist or psychiatrist.
     
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