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Sleep Fapping (Argh!!)

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by KingdomLife, Jul 15, 2017.

  1. KingdomLife

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    This is absolute BS. My subconscious is so used to fapping that I'll start jacking off in the middle of the night and I only realize it right before or during O. Even if I realize what I'm doing and stop before O, the M is so bad that it's basically a relapse anyway.
    Some people say this doesn't count as a relapse, but it has all the negative effects of relapse, so it's GOT TO STOP. Seriously, I don't even fap consciously anymore. I would be 30-40 days clean if not for sleep fapping.
    I made a thread about this problem a month or 2 ago, and some users were questioning whether the MO was really "subconcious" or "unintentional." IT IS. I spent the last couple dozen minutes searching "sleep fapping" and reading threads on it. It's a real thing, guys.
    I'm awake right now at 1:30 AM because I woke up and started fapping unintentionally like a drugged-up f*** about an hour ago. I had removed my cup/underwear/bedsheets and started M with no conscious awareness of it. By the time I started to realize what I was doing- which is NOTHING compared to being awake in daytime and actually being able to think- I was too far gone, grabbed my phone and PMO' d without even the slightest feeling of guilt or resistance. The thing is, I went to sleep tonight actually thinking that "I'm so glad to be doing NoFap" and literally praying that this sleep-fapping wouldn't happen ever again- and believing that it wouldn't. AND IT HAPPENED TONIGHT. WTF!!!
    Sorry if this is excessively ranty and unproductive. I'm just so incredibly frustrated right now I can't even describe it. I've never felt so hopeless or like giving up so much. After waking up "more" and realizing what I did, I started pounding the ground, hitting myself in the 'nads, and yelling "NO!!!!" over and over. I feel absolutely mind-controlled by my PMO-addicted subconscious and am desperate for anything that can make this stop.
     
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  2. theMotivator

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    Maybe handcuffs or something could help (no joke)? I have never had this problem nor thought that it could be possible. The worst so far for me was wet dreams, though they have dramatically decreased in frequency.

    Or maybe you just have to continue nofap and don't worry about this thing, it will disappear after some time?
     
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  3. Flyhigh

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    It's strange I never heard this before or even think it's possible.
     
  4. pranav02

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    Thing is you aren't fully in control of yourself yet. I just started learning about the sub-conscious so I may not know so much about it but looks like PMOing is still an urge within you and according to Freud's psychoanalytic theory, the subconscious is really holding your deep sexual desires that is generally not socially acceptable. I feel that you need to detest and abhor PMO even more than usual. Gain more control of yourself by meditating 20 minutes before you go to sleep and never use your phone when you go to sleep. It is a huge trigger and always wastes your time like anything. Plus, try to collect all of the reasons why you hate PMO with a passion and tell yourself that in front of a mirror before going to bed. I have no experience in this field but attempting my tips has no side-effects or harm so try doing that.
     
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  5. Nymeria

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    Finally someone else experiencing what i have! Sleep fapping is totally real! I lost my previous streak of 150 days because of this and at the time, i didnt know how to explain it! It nearly happened to me the other night, i starting touching myself but realised and managed to go back to sleep!
     
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  6. jest

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    I mean if it's your subconscious at work you could try listening to no-PMO subliminals before bed, no idea though. I used to have something similar happen to me back when I first started NoFap but it faded slowly although I think I sometimes have dreams that Im MOing and I wake up real spooked.
     
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  7. scote73

    scote73 Fapstronaut

    I can feel your frustration. After you consciously make the commitment to stop fapping, it seems as if your body is just...sabotaging you. That is super frustrating, I agree.

    First of all, you don't have to worry about convincing me that this is happening. I believe I've read multiple accounts of this happening, although it hasn't happened to me personally. I have had a dream that I was PMO'ing and woke up ejaculating before...I think that's the closest I can come to relating to this problem.

    If you can start working on forgiving yourself for what you do during your "unconscious" state, in my opinion that would be a great start. This is out of your control. Blaming yourself for something that you can't necessarily control isn't helping you at all.

    Honestly, I think this is the best advice I can give you for now and I hope it helps. I know frustration is high, but please stay patient with yourself. This takes time and a lot of patience. You can do this!
     
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  8. KingdomLife

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    Thanks for the replies. These three are particularly helpful, and give me some inkling of how to proceed.
    Handcuffs- freakin' genius. I will probably buy some today, attach them before bed, and hide the key on a different floor for at least the next 90 days. All else has failed, but this really seems like it could be the trump card.

    I will definitely be making a "Why I hate fapping and how it's destroying my life" list and read it every night before bed. I'll also attach it to my phone nightly and hope that's enough to stop my stupid-ass subconscious if (read:when) I try to go for P again at night.

    This is so true. I have to battle with hating myself even though it "kind of" wasn't my fault. But it's obvious by my behavior both before bed and after PMO that I hate this and truly don't want to do it. It feels good to my subconscious and I obviously still crave that feeling on a primal level (as explained in the post above), but I did the best I could and have to forgive myself to move forward with the healing process.
    In the unlikely event that both the handcuffs and list idea somehow fail and I somehow end up sleep fapping again, at least I can do this.
    My plan before reading these replies was to stop P completely and give up fighting MO, but I now have hope again that PMO can be beaten, even when asleep. If this works, the big threat for me- as it is for most people- will become intentional daytime PMO. Hopefully the list will help there however, and I already have defense measures in place that have helped me avoid daytime PMO for several weeks.
    All right, time to get back out of the dust and try this again. Sucks to start from 0 again, but it will be worth it if this leads to 90+ days clean.
     
  9. Runtilmylegsdropoff

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  10. Sharmaryan

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    Bro same thing happening with me from 2013 and this is the only reason I relapse every time and I stopped watching porn completely, I am depressed because of this. If you find a way to stop this please help.
     
  11. Maybe wearing some kind of gloves in bed might work..

    Might be a dumb idea, but thought I'd mention it!
     
  12. Night

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    No this doesn't work, I have the same problem, but not watching porn half awake, just fapping. I wrap cloth around both of my hands, like a boxing gloves, so its hard to grip, among other things but it doesn't work. It seems you just have to get strong mentally and keep going. Its a straight up battle.
     
  13. Night

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    Just happened to me last night again, usually it happens an hour after I fall asleep, around 11 or so. I will post here, with any updates, if any.
     
  14. Sharmaryan

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    Bro I face same problem, suppose I go to sleep at 10 then it may happen at 11 or 11:30, I don't know why this is happening.
    But I think you can try sleep hypnosis or if you know hindi language then you can try yoga nidra. Search these words on YouTube.
     
  15. GotCaught

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    Start sleeping with someone
     
  16. Revanthegrey

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    It is normal this, many years of doing it some of the habit will be remains on the subconcious.
    I hear is less with the time.
     
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