So does @nofap oficially endorse auto-fellatio as well?

Discussion in 'Problematic Sexual Behavior' started by ultrafabber, Jul 27, 2019.

  1. ultrafabber

    ultrafabber Fapstronaut

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    Apparently it's nofap's official stance, confirmed by @Alexander that "masturbation is normal if done in moderation". I tried to reach Alexander for more than half a year to clarify what @NoFap considers "moderation" but i got no reply. Is once a week moderation? Is twice a month moderation? Is once per month moderation? Is a 5 minute session moderation or is a 50 minute session moderation? Is one time in 90 days moderation if the session lasts 5 hours?

    Now, as far as the title goes, autofellatio is a form of masturbation therefore it's correct to assume @NoFap officially endorses sucking your penis in moderation as well.

    The "consensus" is that masturbation is "normal" because it's "self stimulation" that simulates sex (a vagina or mouth).

    Sucking your own dick to ejaculation would then be the most accurate "self stimulation" possible, 100 times more accurate than using your hand to simulate a vagina, yet most men (and women) are completely grossed out at the thought of that (thankfully), yet the same men are perfectly fine stroking dicks to completion.

    I'm not saying "go ahead and stroke your dick or suck your dick", i'm pointing out that @NoFap is inconsistent and since it assumes the role of defining what's normal (or problematic) and what is not, these issues need to be officially addressed.

    As it is right now, @NoFap officially has no issue against autofellatio.
     
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  2. Rebooter45674

    Rebooter45674 Fapstronaut

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    Do you need a code book?... Not a good idea.
    Defining and engraving rules would be disastrous.
    "normal" is highly subjective in nature and will vary p2p.
    You,me and everyone here need to know their own limits and focus on self improvement. This can be achieved only by trial and error.
    Auto fellatio is not "normal" at all ... It will cause excessive back pain.
    Nofap is a pornaddict help group ...Not some cult or religion... The day it becomes ...I am out.
     
  3. ultrafabber

    ultrafabber Fapstronaut

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    If i am to state something is normal in moderation i must also define what moderation is. If i cant define it, i should not have a stance on it.

    Auto fellatio is a form of masturbation so it is only logical to conclude @NoFap is officially fine with that as well since it is fine with jerking off.
     
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  4. Rebooter45674

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    Moderation can not be defined by @NoFap it is you, who has to decide that for yourself.
    M is bad or good is highly debatable.
     
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  5. ultrafabber

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    @NoFap officially states that masturbation is ok and autofellatio is a form of masturbation.

    It is the only logical conclusion that @NoFap is ok with autofellatio.

    Since @NoFap does not condemn masturbation, masturbation is therefore implied to be good "in moderation".
     
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  6. Rebooter45674

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    @NoFap they need to clarify their stance. I personally donot think that M is bad if done under a certain limit (1 to 3 times a month without Porn). But I personally donot find it as good as the medical science today depicts it.

    Also, in many religions and societies, carnal desires are looked down upon. Some sects even say not to indulge in sexual activities at all.

    Then there are those who give you license after marriage. Some even say you should not use protection as children are Gifts of God.

    In certain monastic traditions, even conducting violence to protect yourself is looked down upon.
    Choice is yours and you should choose wisely and taking practical considerations into account as we are worldly people.
     
  7. Once you get rid of the cause (porn), you have no need for masturbation anymore. It's a pointless and degrading activity, done in moderation or not.

    Of course, this site still encourages causal sex, which is deeply intertwined with the whole problem complex of sexual degeneracy (porn, masturbation, prostitution, fornication all belongs together). In the end all that degeneracy is about preventing the creation of successful families.

    Part of getting the FapPill is seeing through the whole thing for what it is instead of falling for another trick by evil.
     
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  8. PaulPaul

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    In my experience, if you have beaten your porn addiction, you hardly feel the need to masturbate at all. I’m older so that is a factor as well but the difference is remarkable. During addiction, daily. After addiction .. not even once a month. I can imagine that to the recovered brain, autofelatio becomes irrelevant.
     
  9. ultrafabber

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    I agree and i havent felt the need to masturbate in a long time, not that id do it anyway.

    Im writing this because for the people still strggling, being told officially that masturbation is a-ok in moderation without even defining moderation is a huge step backwards as it helps them rationalize masturbation.

    As for the auto fellatio thing, as weird and wrong as it is, it IS still masturbation and @NoFap does endorse that consequently.
     
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  10. At no point did @NoFap mention auto-fellatio. You are jumping to conclusion. As far as "masturbation is ok in moderation" I don't agree with that sentiment either. Although I do see why they say it.

    The point of this website is to help individuals overcome there addiction to pmo. It isn't meant to go on a moral crusade against masturbation. Now there are many on this website that see masturbation as an addictive evil that shouldn't be done ever by anyone. I'm in that camp. But some don't think that way. @ultrafabber Would you want to leave out individuals that potentially need recovering just because of a difference of opinion?
    Congrats on your recovery!

    I've never heard of any religion that bans sex. How would they increase their population? If you have some examples please tell me. I'm legitimately curious.

    Congratulations!

    @Alexander if you think masturbation is ok in moderation, then what is your stance on pornography?
     
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  11. ultrafabber

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    The thing is i'm not jumping to any conclusion, autofellatio is literally a form of masturbation.

    What i also wanted to emphasize is that even if masturbation was normal and not problematic in moderation, it us up to them to define moderation since they stated that in the first place.
     
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    @TimeToQuitNow They did not need to or had the desire to increase population. for example Buddhist monks and nuns, Jain monks, some sects of Hindu Sanyasis... Etc.
    sannyasin, in Hinduism, a religious ascetic who has renounced the world by performing his own funeral and abandoning all claims to social or family standing.
     
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    @TimeToQuitNow In Islam, some "Sufi" orders have prescribed to remain free from sexual activity.
    Also in catholics nuns and fathers.
    Pretty much everywhere ....
     
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  14. phwrancesco

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    i think it's pretty obvious that Autofellatio in considered like "fapping".
     
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  15. IR254

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    I read the initial post and actually didn't want to reply, because I found the line of thought so incredibly weird and unrealistic. I literally was like "Huh? What now? Is he serious right now? o_O' ". So, I might as well give my two cents, even though I might provoke more weirdness.

    First of all, you make it sound like the official NoFap team says "Masturbate, people! It's good and normal!". As far as I'm concernced, that's not really close to the truth. A short look in the About tab in the top brings you to this paragraph:

    The last sentece was highlighted by myself. In my opinion, it is pretty clear what they mean. No idea how one can twist that so much, that it looks like they want you to masturbate, especially in such strange ways (I mean, auto-fellatio...seriously now?). And although you could technically consider auto-fellatio a form of masturbation, I think it's absolutely obvious, that sucking you own dick is not meant when they talk about "masturbation". I mean, yea, you could technically add it to the definition, but let's be real here: Who even thinks about auto-fellatio, when you talk about "masturbation"? Hardly anyone, I would assume. If you apply your logic, you could technically also argue the following: They didn't point out, that sticking your dick into a mixer isn't meant by "masturbation" and therefore they must be cool with it. I mean, for real? That's such a weird way of thinking...Do we really need to point out everything we might or might not mean? Can't we just use a little bit of commong sense nowadays?

    I don't see how this thread provides any value honestly, other than presenting a completly weird argument.
     
  16. ultrafabber

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    You probably missed the sticky

    Masturbating once is not a "relapse" it's a "reset" - Risky/excessive masturbation can be a relapse.

    You should read it.

    Also, auto fellatio is literally masturbation, it is very straight forward
     
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  17. IR254

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    Okay, just did. I still come to the exact same conclusion. They literally say this:

    Again, the highlighted sections are by myself. I simply can't understand how you could twist that so much. I mean, use a little bit of common sense my dude. It's so incredibly obvious, what they mean. And as I already said: Yes, you could technically consider auto-fellatio "masturbation". But it's still (!) very very clear, that they aren't talking about sucking your own dick (or sticking it into the mixer for that matter), when they say masturbation isn't the devil. I mean, come on. You can't seriously deny that, can you?
     
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  18. PaulPaul

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    You might see the weirdness of this topic as a symptom of p addiction.
     
  19. ultrafabber

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    So did you skip the part where masturbation "moderately" (but moderately is no defined) is compared to Eating apples? Do you seriously not get what all of this hints to?
     
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  20. ultrafabber

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    Yes, people not getting the point might be considered such a symptom
     

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