@ultrafabber I think this is a very complex question and it's hard to answer. Firstly: Yes, if a handjob is ok then putting him into mouth is also ok. One could list the pros and cons of that, too. It's probably not healthy for the back in the long run. But logically speaking every form of self gratification that doesn't involve others or harming of others is morally okay. Alexander doesn't explicitly state that but you are right, it is logically connected. The moderation part is harder to answer. We would need scientific data for it and also have to account the goals of the addict. Does he want to just get rid of a certain fetish? Does he want to be able to get hard with real women? Is he ejaculating too early? Does he only want to stop watching porn? Does he want the benefits from semen retention? Every question has to be answered accordingly, using data from studies and from self-experiments. Moderation is an amount which allows reach the set goals. If you are an addict, masturbation also took over a functionality, like dealing with stress, negative emotions and so on. So it would be outside of the moderated consume to fap after experiencing stress or negative emotions, since one's inability to deal with these created the addiction in the first place. Which was probably in the childhood for most of us and it is normal that we were not able to find good coping mechanisms If one wants to get his boner back with women, one should abstain from every masturbation that is linked to the pornography and fantasising that caused the erection problems in the first place, preferably for the rest of their life. Because the old neural pathways are still there. It's like when you know how to ride a bike. You don't forget it. It is simpler for an addict to fall back into their addiction than for someone who wasn't addicted in the first place. For him moderation would mean masturbating only when he is free of fantasies and not influenced by any images or nudity or fetishm perceived. Someone who wants the benefits from semen retention should abstain all together or release semen rarely; there seems to be no scientific data about how many releases cause what effects (at least I haven't stumbled upon any yet). But you can look at other people's experiences and try out what works for you. Since semen get absorbed by your body anyways, it might even be most beneficial to just abstain all together. You see, there is many ways to answer this, and I think this is why everyone is having a hard time understanding your point. You are suggesting a more in-depth guideline so addicts know what orientation they can take instead of being their own captain risking overusing the boundaries of "Moderation" And most people here just think that everyone is responsible himself to define what moderation is for him. But your point is totally valid; an addicts brain may not be capable of taking unclouded responsibility for this definition of moderation and abuse it unknowingly. So there is a need to define it.