Some insight might give clear perspective

[Sad_wife]

Extreme trigger warning please be warned.
The

Although I was never a PA my x worked in the industry on/off for over 30 years. His x wife was in porn , he did a few with her. Mostly worked in video editing, photo editing and web design. The industry is pure evil. No other way to see it. Sometimes the girls are very underage. The age is lied about. Different cuts will make vanilla P. While others with the same rawfootage will be xx or xxx or unrated. The really sick thing. With all raw footage some things are so brutal, so abhorrent that most footage gets edited out of even extreme content because it’s illegal! They have to listen for certain things. So even vanilla as you can get is not what you are watching. Important to keep this in mind. More happened. Way more than you see even with the most extreme content. The girls women in these videos sometimes have to rest weeks before they can film again do to injury. Sometimes they are hospitalized. And some get injuries that never heal. A lot of the times very young woman, even underage, who are basically tortured sexually physically and emotionally for your brief and damaging pleasure. This is what you support when you watch P. No matter how you slice it.

 

[The Shift]

Extreme trigger warning please be warned.
The

Although I was never a PA my x worked in the industry on/off for over 30 years. His x wife was in porn , he did a few with her. Mostly worked in video editing, photo editing and web design. The industry is pure evil. No other way to see it. Sometimes the girls are very underage. The age is lied about. Different cuts will make vanilla P. While others with the same rawfootage will be xx or xxx or unrated. The really sick thing. With all raw footage some things are so brutal, so abhorrent that most footage gets edited out of even extreme content because it’s illegal! They have to listen for certain things. So even vanilla as you can get is not what you are watching. Important to keep this in mind. More happened. Way more than you see even with the most extreme content. The girls women in these videos sometimes have to rest weeks before they can film again do to injury. Sometimes they are hospitalized. And some get injuries that never heal. A lot of the times very young woman, even underage, who are basically tortured sexually physically and emotionally for your brief and damaging pleasure. This is what you support when you watch P. No matter how you slice it.

the dark reality of our particular vice is it is most certainly not a victimless crime and I’m genuinely angry at myself because I contributed to it.

The ugly side needs to be addressed more

thank you for posting

 

[HeartOfTheOak]

What you are saying reminded me so much of this interview. Everyone in recovery should see it as it sheds light on just how bad the industry is.

 

[Happy_husband]

Extreme trigger warning please be warned.
The

Although I was never a PA my x worked in the industry on/off for over 30 years. His x wife was in porn , he did a few with her. Mostly worked in video editing, photo editing and web design. The industry is pure evil. No other way to see it. Sometimes the girls are very underage. The age is lied about. Different cuts will make vanilla P. While others with the same rawfootage will be xx or xxx or unrated. The really sick thing. With all raw footage some things are so brutal, so abhorrent that most footage gets edited out of even extreme content because it’s illegal! They have to listen for certain things. So even vanilla as you can get is not what you are watching. Important to keep this in mind. More happened. Way more than you see even with the most extreme content. The girls women in these videos sometimes have to rest weeks before they can film again do to injury. Sometimes they are hospitalized. And some get injuries that never heal. A lot of the times very young woman, even underage, who are basically tortured sexually physically and emotionally for your brief and damaging pleasure. This is what you support when you watch P. No matter how you slice it.

Damn....

 

[Meshuga]

Is there a way to verify these claims? I don’t doubt you. It makes sense to me. I bet it’s a lot easier to manipulate a younger woman- no, a girl, into doing this, because she’d be more flattered by the initial attention, less skeptical, and less likely to go to authorities and prosecute after. It also makes economical sense to shoot “vanilla” and extreme stuff at the same time. However, people tend to be skeptical when I claim porn routinely exploits minors. They claim porn is a tightly regulated industry, and that people speaking against it are just hysterical, repressed Puritans. Is there any source I can use to counter these claims?

 

[Sad_wife]

Is there a way to verify these claims? I don’t doubt you. It makes sense to me. I bet it’s a lot easier to manipulate a younger woman- no, a girl, into doing this, because she’d be more flattered by the initial attention, less skeptical, and less likely to onto authorities and prosecute after. It also makes economical sense to shoot “vanilla” and extreme stuff at the same time. However, people tend to be skeptical when I claim porn routinely exploits minors. They claim porn is a tightly regulated industry, and that people speaking against it are just hysterical, repressed Puritans. Is there any source I can use to counter these claims?

you can call Hustler corporate headquarters in Colorado. Ask to speak with someone in video editing. I’m sure they won’t admit to the underage thing tho. Everything else you just have to either know people who worked in the industry or watch some interviews with people who worked as actors. This is not common knowledge. But the industry likes to keep it that way. Try to find some corporate manuals on industry rules and law for p editing. I feel like it’s my duty to let people know.

 

[Sad_wife]

Btw Hustler is one of the biggest editors and distributors of P. They take raw footage from here In the US (mostly the San franando valley in California) or other Countries. Very easy to verify this info if you know who to call.

 

[Liege Blåhaj]

Is there a way to verify these claims? I don’t doubt you. It makes sense to me. I bet it’s a lot easier to manipulate a younger woman- no, a girl, into doing this, because she’d be more flattered by the initial attention, less skeptical, and less likely to onto authorities and prosecute after. It also makes economical sense to shoot “vanilla” and extreme stuff at the same time. However, people tend to be skeptical when I claim porn routinely exploits minors. They claim porn is a tightly regulated industry, and that people speaking against it are just hysterical, repressed Puritans. Is there any source I can use to counter these claims?

This book is a great resource if you are interested in learning more about this. Author Laila Mickelwait is an activist who has spearheaded a campaign to hold Pornhub accountable for profiting off of rape, child sexual abuse, sex trafficking and other horrific things. She provides all the details in the book. If you are interested in a shorter read, there was a New York Times expose about Pornhub's abuses four years ago. The details are very chilling, not only the vast amount of trauma that many people have endured because of this, but also that Pornhub got away with it for so long, and is still getting away with it to a certain extent.

 

[Sad_wife]

What you are saying reminded me so much of this interview. Everyone in recovery should see it as it sheds light on just how bad the industry is.

This led me down a rabbit hole. What a difference just 15-20 years of high speed porn will make. I’ve seen those very adds and ones like them. To me something didn’t add up.

so this has always been a problem in the P industry even far back though. Just watch videos for people “willingly” going into it. I’ve known a few personally. The problem vis there is always coercion. They say one thing and you have boundaries and then they tell you they aren’t going to pay you because they need these changes now and they will have to waist there time and reshoot with someone else. That’s just best case scenario. Most of the time there are worse threats or straight up rape. Now because of high speed and the sheer amount of content being created there is a shortage of willing preformers. This leads to tricking women/girls and trafficking at its worst. Honestly I’d be willing to bet 99% of all P has some elements of trafficking just based on the willing women I knew. Coercion or threats count as trafficking.

 

[Psalm27:1my light]

This led me down a rabbit hole. What a difference just 15-20 years of high speed porn will make. I’ve seen those very adds and ones like them. To me something didn’t add up.

so this has always been a problem in the P industry even far back though. Just watch videos for people “willingly” going into it. I’ve known a few personally. The problem vis there is always coercion. They say one thing and you have boundaries and then they tell you they aren’t going to pay you because they need these changes now and they will have to waist there time and reshoot with someone else. That’s just best case scenario. Most of the time there are worse threats or straight up rape. Now because of high speed and the sheer amount of content being created there is a shortage of willing preformers. This leads to tricking women/girls and trafficking at its worst. Honestly I’d be willing to bet 99% of all P has some elements of trafficking just based on the willing women I knew. Coercion or threats count as trafficking.

One of the things that frustrates me so much is the narrative so many men push that sex workers are just lazy and greedy. They push that only a few are unwilling. I worked as a decoy for 2 years. Met hundreds of hookers. Only 1 was doing it “ willingly” and she had no intention or interest in stopping. She had also been a victim of child molestation which is why I think she was not willingly doing it but instead living out a childhood wound. But, many men are unwilling to admit that even homemade/amateur porn isn’t always willing. Many of the women are unknowingly recorded. I’ve met many a woman who literally the last straw was finding out her husband had secretly recorded her. Had shared the pictures and recordings. I always encourage they file criminal charges, but too many are ashamed and embarrassed. It’s sickening.

 

[Spaz]

I’ve always felt P, by its very nature, turns people into predators. The behavior of hunting, seeking, collecting, and repressing empathy/sympathy etc all to scratch an itch seems extremely predatory. I’ve also noticed from myself and others that people who have little self-control in sexual matters are incredibly impatient and prone to violence. This doesn’t mean violence is always used, but more that violence is seen as a one of many options rather than as a last resort.

People have become desensitized to this stuff and no one likes to admit they’re the predator, so they veil their behavior as a form of liberation and freedom of expression. Those who remind them of the darkness of their behavior are prudes who are not sex positive people, and who seek only to repress them.

 

[Meshuga]

One of the things that frustrates me so much is the narrative so many men push that sex workers are just lazy and greedy.

These guys know how they feel in their own bodies, and can't help but think what they do. A job where you do nothing but M and sext strangers? They already do that for free. A job where they do nothing but have sex with strangers? Would that I could be so lucky, they think. It's unbelievable to them that women could feel any different, especially in this era where Judith Butler's theory that gender is strictly learned, performative, and artificial, goes unchallenged. They know exactly how much they want sex, and assume the female experience is the same. They're eaten up with envy that sex work is an option for women, and not so much for men. Of course, if they had a moment of critical thinking they would realize the gendered imbalance of supply in sex work is the result of gendered imbalance in demand. In simple terms, men are willing to pay for sex and women aren't, because women don't want sex that much. And it's riskier for them, of course.

Men are also tricked by the lie because they want to believe the lie. It doesn't occur to them that women in porn are acting, that the takes are edited. It's difficult to differentiate between expressions of pleasure and pain. Men sort of know porn is fake, but they're not sure which parts and in practice, they think of porn more as a documentary than a fantasy. Then the industry itself pushes the narrative that these women are super horny and they do it because they absolutely love it. I've seen the "interviews." I know.

 

[Sad_wife]

These guys know how they feel in their own bodies, and can't help but think what they do. A job where you do nothing but M and sext strangers? They already do that for free. A job where they do nothing but have sex with strangers? Would that I could be so lucky, they think. It's unbelievable to them that women could feel any different, especially in this era where Judith Butler's theory that gender is strictly learned, performative, and artificial, goes unchallenged. They know exactly how much they want sex, and assume the female experience is the same. They're eaten up with envy that sex work is an option for women, and not so much for men. Of course, if they had a moment of critical thinking they would realize the gendered imbalance of supply in sex work is the result of gendered imbalance in demand. In simple terms, men are willing to pay for sex and women aren't, because women don't want sex that much. And it's riskier for them, of course.

Men are also tricked by the lie because they want to believe the lie. It doesn't occur to them that women in porn are acting, that the takes are edited. It's difficult to differentiate between expressions of pleasure and pain. Men sort of know porn is fake, but they're not sure which parts and in practice, they think of porn more as a documentary than a fantasy. Then the industry itself pushes the narrative that these women are super horny and they do it because they absolutely love it. I've seen the "interviews." I know.

nearly every guy that I knew that watched porn saw it as a documentary. Where these are willing people having fun. This couldn’t be further from the truth.

I do want sex as much as my husband maybe more. But with my husband. Only with my husband. And honestly I don’t think men want sex so much they are willing to be tortured and made to have sex with people they are not attracted to. Made to do things that are well outside their comfort zones. Filled, threatened and humiliated for the world to see. But they don’t think of it from these points of view.

 

[Sanitarium]

I’ve always felt P, by its very nature, turns people into predators. The behavior of hunting, seeking, collecting, and repressing empathy/sympathy etc all to scratch an itch seems extremely predatory. I’ve also noticed from myself and others that people who have little self-control in sexual matters are incredibly impatient and prone to violence. This doesn’t mean violence is always used, but more that violence is seen as a one of many options rather than as a last resort.

People have become desensitized to this stuff and no one likes to admit they’re the predator, so they veil their behavior as a form of liberation and freedom of expression. Those who remind them of the darkness of their behavior are prudes who are not sex positive people, and who seek only to repress them.

Whoa.... had never thought about it but it really correlates to what I myself had become when I wired my brain to sexualization. I became very impulsive. A small argument would trigger me to the highest point. I had almost always been at the "boiling point". I shouted at my kids for almost nothing. I threatend my wife if she did something the way I had a different point of view on. I had became an animal. A predator driven by a primarial instinct. I did not understand why my wife asked me to seek for help. I thought I was fine and everyone around was wrong. I admit I did all that. Such a fool. I am so angry at myself now. I want to become HUMAN again.
Thanks for your post. It is very strong. Gives me so much insight into my own behaviour in the past recent years.

 

[Sanitarium]

nearly every guy that I knew that watched porn saw it as a documentary

Since my parents never talked with me about sex (I grew up in USSR) and there was no sexual education in school (there was just ONE lesson during a biology class at the high school when the teacher inserted a cassette into the VHS-player and hid behind the door with a visible trace of shame in her face) - P became my only learning source when I discovered changes in my body at the puberty... :-(

P.S.: in that video in the class they showed how condoms should be used so that the girl does not become pregnant... that's it)

 

[Meshuga]

Whoa.... had never thought about it but it really correlates to what I myself had become when I wired my brain to sexualization. I became very impulsive. A small argument would trigger me to the highest point. I had almost always been at the "boiling point". I shouted at my kids for almost nothing. I threatend my wife if she did something I had a different point of view on. I had became an animal. A predator driven by a primarial instinct. I did not understand why my wife asked me to seek for help. I thought I was fine and everyone around was wrong. I admit I did all that. Such a fool. I am so angry at myself now. I want to become HUMAN again.
Thanks for your post. It is very strong. Gives me so much insight into my own behaviour in the past recent years.

"Like" for self-awareness.

 

[Spaz]

I never saw porn as a documentary. Frankly, I never cared enough to even think about it in that way, which is why I never cared enough to even think of the possibility that the people I’m watching were coerced, trafficked, etc. My turning point happened when I called a sex worker and flaked on meeting them. The sex worker then posted an ad for their services, but used my phone number as the contact. Every call was a succession of non-stop abusive sex crazed men; Men who didn’t care about anything but themselves. I realized those men were me. I was being called non-stop by myself. I changed my number and committed to changing myself.

I’m still a shit show, but I thank God for giving that sex worker that idea, because that was a big turning point for me.


Edit: I take that back. I said the men didn’t care about anyone but themselves, but that’s wrong. The men didn’t even care about themselves. They hated everyone including themselves. It’s pure evil and the thrill comes from a spirit of self-annihilation. Its really made me believe in the existence of demonic activity. I know that’s crossing the belief barrier for some, but I can’t deny what I experienced.

 

[Meshuga]

My turning point happened when I called a sex worker and flaked on meeting them. The sex worker then posted an ad for their services, but used my phone number as the contact. Every call was a succession of non-stop abusive sex crazed men; Men who didn’t care about anything but themselves. I realized those men were me. I was being called non-stop by myself. I changed my number and committed to changing myself.

That’s dark. But amazing. I’m not sure if that’s what the worker was trying to accomplish, but what an eye opener.

 

[Meshuga]

you can call Hustler corporate headquarters in Colorado. Ask to speak with someone in video editing.

I'm not calling Hustler. I can tell other people they can, but in the end, this isn't a monsterous claim. Most people assume porn is shot with consenting adults, so even if we think the content is too extreme for us to enjoy, they're still consenting. Of course I don't think they really are. Multiple former actresses have talked about how producers move the goalposts, how they hold payment hostage, how they'll blackmail girls, how they threaten to leave performers stranded far from home if they don't comply with progressively greater demands. These barely-women and girls are naive, malleable, and unknowingly place themselves under the mercy of the producers. This is the way pimps operate, I don't know why people assume it's different when a camera is present, but I think mostly people want to protect their porn or, at minimum, be thought of as progressive and open minded, and being skeptical of porn is viewed as regressive and close minded.

This book is a great resource if you are interested in learning more about this. Author Laila Mickelwait is an activist who has spearheaded a campaign to hold Pornhub accountable for profiting off of rape, child sexual abuse, sex trafficking and other horrific things. She provides all the details in the book. If you are interested in a shorter read, there was a New York Times expose about Pornhub's abuses four years ago. The details are very chilling, not only the vast amount of trauma that many people have endured because of this, but also that Pornhub got away with it for so long, and is still getting away with it to a certain extent.

I can't look up the New York Times because it's behind a paywall and I'm poor. For Laila Mickelwait's book "Takedown: Inside the Fight to Shut Down Pornhub for Abuse, Rape, and Sex Trafficking," I called it. In an article by The Independent, Pornhub responded by saying they have done a very good job of shutting down trafficking and abuse since they changed owners (porn is a tightly controlled industry), and there's other, probably worse institutions hiding abuse like Facebook that Mickelwait hasn't called out, so what she really is is a... hysterical, repressed, anti-porn Puratain. They're saying the contents of her book are outdated. They say her efforts to demonize the legitimate, regulated porn industry whips up anti-porn fervor, driving porn underground where abuse is more likely to happen.

I think this is one of those issues where people are going to believe what they want to believe for personal reasons, evidence notwithstanding. If they don't want to believe it, they'll dismiss the evidence as coming from a compromised source.

 

[Sad_wife]

I'm not calling Hustler. I can tell other people they can, but in the end, this isn't a monsterous claim. Most people assume porn is shot with consenting adults, so even if we think the content is too extreme for us to enjoy, they're still consenting. Of course I don't think they really are. Multiple former actresses have talked about how producers move the goalposts, how they hold payment hostage, how they'll blackmail girls, how they threaten to leave performers stranded far from home if they don't comply with progressively greater demands. These barely-women and girls are naive, malleable, and unknowingly place themselves under the mercy of the producers. This is the way pimps operate, I don't know why people assume it's different when a camera is present, but I think mostly people want to protect their porn or, at minimum, be thought of as progressive and open minded, and being skeptical of porn is viewed as regressive and close minded.


I can't look up the New York Times because it's behind a paywall and I'm poor. For Laila Mickelwait's book "Takedown: Inside the Fight to Shut Down Pornhub for Abuse, Rape, and Sex Trafficking," I called it. In an article by The Independent, Pornhub responded by saying they have done a very good job of shutting down trafficking and abuse since they changed owners (porn is a tightly controlled industry), and there's other, probably worse institutions hiding abuse like Facebook that Mickelwait hasn't called out, so what she really is is a... hysterical, repressed, anti-porn Puratain. They're saying the contents of her book are outdated. They say her efforts to demonize the legitimate, regulated porn industry whips up anti-porn fervor, driving porn underground where abuse is more likely to happen.

I think this is one of those issues where people are going to believe what they want to believe for personal reasons, evidence notwithstanding. If they don't want to believe it, they'll dismiss the evidence as coming from a compromised source.

So from what I understand through interviews with Micklwait she’s not anti -porn. She wants pornhub to pay for thier part of crime and make trafficking near impossible on thier site. Honestly she’s said she’s only focusing on Phub because it’s the biggest and the people who own that site own most of the biggest tube sites where transgressions are rampant. Yes they took down 91% of the videos. That a good start. But honestly I am willing to bet less then 1% of what remains up is truely consensual. And there-in lies the problem with porn other then the damage it causes to the viewer. “The industry is tightly regulated” is an egregious lie. Oh yeah we have some laws and rules that are in place. But they don’t follow them and no one is policing them!

I won’t hesitate to say I am hardcore Anti-Porn. Now. Like I said I use to be very pro-porn. I did a complete 180 on this. Seriously f the industry. Full of evil sick f’s like the (thank the universe) now dead (I would spit on his grave if I knew where it was) max hardcore. I think demons are real and that dude was one walking around in a rotting human suit. It time like this I wish with all my heart that there is a real hell and that guy is there getting r repeatedly non-stop just the way he did to all those women without break for eternity. Modern p is what it is because of that guy.

Now… I am actually a very non violent person. But him and my x deserve a special spot in hell for real.