Some things I don't get about evolution...

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  1. MuscularSherlockHolmes

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    Your obsession with "free will" escapes me. It is just a word. Okay. Get over it! It's a human made concept, which doesn't actually exist.
     
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  2. MuscularSherlockHolmes

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    He picks stuff and doesn't get it when his "half-assed knowledge" gets stuck somewhere. If only he would care to wade the deep waters of knowledge about something in a thorough and meticulous manner. I doubt if he would ever take the trouble of reading through it. (I don't have anything against him, but his way of going about in life, is a tad bit sad, in my opinion, and I know my opinion doesn't matter one bit to him, and I am OK with that.)
     
  3. IAmLegion

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    Who're we talking about here bro? The OP or the guy I responded to?

    Now I'm feeling like a great ass for spending my time here :/
     
  4. MuscularSherlockHolmes

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    The OP. At least I am talking about him.
     
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  5. IAmLegion

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    Exactly.

    "Free will" is simply an abstract assertion, which when decomposed to tangible levels, amounts to nothing more than the ability to think for oneself; something most animals do possess, although to varying degrees.
     
  6. IAmLegion

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    Same.

    If you really want to answer a question, you either read what other men have discovered or go test it out yourself.

    But you need at least some degree of knowledge before you act on curiosity. It's blind attempts at answering the unknown that lead to cases like lobotomy and the "cure" to the Bubonic Plague.

    One must learn.
     
  7. IAmLegion

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    You're right ^^

    Like Mendel, Darwin had observations but no evidence. Usually, that spells disaster.

    In Mendel's case, it didn't; as for Darwin, it worked half-way.

    If you think about it, we're really only lucky to have guessed things right in the first place.
     
  8. JesusStrength

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    If its true, technology is moving faster then us evolving.. I think technology will end human kind sooner or later. I started believing in evolution, but creation also makes a lot of sense to me now and also I know the only way humanity will survive is if Jesus comes back other than that humanity doesn't stand a chance... NASA can't save us, Elon Musk can't save us.. Technology will eat us up sooner or later. The whole world should hit ther knees and pray to Jesus so he can come back. I'm not even a big Christian and right now my faith is so low almost non existent, but I see that is the truth.
     
  9. MuscularSherlockHolmes

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    Consumerism, rat race for development which is not at all sustainable, and above all stupid policies that are catered towards short term gains. Yes, mankind's future is pretty bleak. With petroleum gone, our whole technology will collapse. We can't even make solar panels without petrochemicals, and if you dig deep, you will find all kinds of renewable energy actually depends on petrochemical products of one kind or another. So, the future is bleak. No doubt.
     
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  10. JesusStrength

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    Just look at high speed porn. We weren't ready for this shit.. This is a technological desease as if we need more deseases and its only one thing.. Imagine what else is coming. Hit your knees pray for mercy. Jesus is the only savior of humanity.
     
  11. Onehope

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    I'm gonna be honest with you, the prefrontal cortex of the brain is responsible for our rational thinking, but self awareness or consciousness if you will, is still a mystery, even to science.

    Sure we can say that perhaps consciousness comes from the brain and it's simply information, maybe it's nothing, maybe it's an illusion, maybe it's the soul, but in truth no one knows. It's just a mystery to be solved in the future.
     
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  12. Brokenman123

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    I think it is scientific since as I pointed out earlier, it makes predictions, it hypothesizes about things, experiments have been done etc. All in line with steps of the scientific method.
    Unguided Nature or Guided Intelligent Agency isn't the same thing as evolution vs creationism. The first dichotomy is a fair dichotomy but the second one puts them on the same footing when they're not since evolution doesn't rule out the existence of a creator and doesn't make claims about the origin of life.
    You know what, fair enough, I apologize if I may have strawmanned your position and yes history tends to repeat itself with respect to science where we find out we were wrong but as of right now, evolution has a lot of evidential backing behind it.
    Fair enough.
    Yes perspectives can be flawed but I'm don't have faith in scientists in the theological sense of the term but faith as in I trust them because they have shown themselves to be trustworthy in the past and they have provided evidence in support of their position.
    OK here are a few:
    1. Evolution predicts that the fossil record will show different populations of creatures at different times. For example, it predicts we will never find fossils of trilobites with fossils of dinosaurs, since their geological time-lines don't overlap. The "Cretaceous seaway" deposits in Colorado and Wyoming contain almost 90 different kinds of ammonites, but no one has ever found two different kinds of ammonite together in the same rockbed.
    2. Evolution predicts that features of living things will fit a hierarchical arrangement of relatedness. For example, arthropods all have chitinous exoskeleton, hemocoel, and jointed legs. Insects have all these plus head-thorax-abdomen body plan and 6 legs. Flies have all that plus two wings and halteres. Calypterate flies have all that plus a certain style of antennae, wing veins, and sutures on the face and back. You will never find the distinguishing features of calypterate flies on a non-fly, much less on a non-insect or non-arthropod.
    3. It was predicted that humans must have an intermaxillary bone, since other mammals do. The adult human skull consists of bones that have fused together, so you can't tell one way or the other in an adult. An examination of human embryonic development showed that an intermaxillary bone is one of the things that fuses to become your upper jaw.
    More trust, not faith as explained earlier.
    Why do so when other more qualified and more intelligent people than myself have done so and found it to be a good theory?
    Fine it is the most plausible explanation.
    It isn't extremely incorrect since I gave predictions that show that it is a true theory and I have actually done some study on evolution for myself.
    Well I'm a layman so I'm not gonna know much compared to a PhD, that's what I mean. I'm humble enough to recognize that others know more about this than I do.
    I have studied a bit of both worldviews and I know enough to be able to form a decent opinion of both and I don't think that these scientists can do no wrong since, as I stated earlier, if new information comes to light, then evolution can be overturned.
    Scientists generally admit when they've been wrong about something... they don't try to hide it and no I don't worship these people but I do realize that my knowledge is inferior to there's and that they would probably know more than me. Like how I trust a doctor to give me good medical advice so he/she knows more than I do.
    Maybe he's upset at having to deal with the same rehashed and debunked arguments.
    As I said before, I'm not a PhD but I have given both worldviews some study and I do believe I know enough to make a judgement on both sides. I don't have a problem allowing qualified scientists to fill in the gaps in knowledge that I don't have the expertise to be able to do.
    Well I already posted some predictions made by evolution but here are some other pieces of evidence:
    http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics
    http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence
    http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/behavior
     
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  13. Brokenman123

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    Don't drink and drive.
     
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  14. Brokenman123

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    OK thanks, I'll try to do some research.
     
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    Humans didn't evolve from monkeys but share a common ancestor with them and there is data to back up evolution. Also it's not just a theory but the closest thing to a fact in science.
    Read these links for some better understanding of it:
    http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics
    http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence
    http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/behavior
     
  16. Brokenman123

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    Thanks for the info.
     
  17. Brokenman123

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    So you're saying free will isn't a real thing and why the heck do you care what I obsess over?
    I like asking questions. I don't get what your problem is. You just came here out of nowhere and started attacking me. Sure I may not fully research something sometimes but I also like coming here to ask questions because I like hearing what others have to say sometimes. I don't get what's your problem with me. I have never insulted you or attacked you in anyway before... I just don't get it. And what do you mean by "the way I go about in life is sad"? You don't even know me, so you can't make that judgement.
     
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  18. Brokenman123

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    IDK about Christianity... maybe you're right, IDK but evolution doesn't rule out the existence of a creator. They are not mutually exclusive.
     
  19. MuscularSherlockHolmes

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    I browse the forums, you have made a public post, so, I am free to share my opinion. I see you as a person who loves to bicker over senseless issues, and not researching things is your trademark in my opinion. So, I have stated that. It is not an attack on you, in any shape or form. I didn't disrespect you, or berate you or anything. I have stated the facts. Any one can glance at the threads you have created to see how serious my analysis of you has been (or even flawed maybe, I don't know). And you don't need to know the entire biography of a person to form a slight bit of conclusion.

    My conclusion is only about you posting questions related to topics that a couple hundred people ask on different forums every single day, talking about stuff they have heard or read from somewhere, and without even bothering to research on their own to get an educated discussion going in the first place.

    You don't have to agree with my opinion. And I don't have to agree with yours. But, let's establish one thing, it ain't no personal attack.
     
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  20. IAmLegion

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    I wholly agree with this individual.

    Debate without knowledge is a waste of everyone's time.
     

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