Stop calling it "masturbation" or "jerking off", call it as it is - "stroking dick"

Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by ultrafabber, Aug 22, 2019.

  1. Max Fisher

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    A lawsuit for damages against the robot manufacturer, or possibly a malfunction.

    We should ask Alexander since it happened with the DDOS attack.
     
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  2. Mr. McMarty

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    Thats funny. "Karen" is always my computer wife goto name.
     
  3. Grey is colourless

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    Masturbation means mass Turbare pretty much. It means you are turbating yourself...like an animal, unvactinnated stray dogs are likely turbated. You are making yourself more than just dim/mentally retarded, but crazy. That what it means, much more scary than stroking foreskin lol

    Jerking off is also embarassing. Jerk movements in general are shitty. Show poor health, poor mental attention which is pretty much your mental strength - control over your mind

    Stroking foreskin, I have to essentially stroke outwards as i push out liquid from the tube after I urinate. I might stroke down to see if I got rubbish inside the foreskin, and stroke bakc up and then pull from the top to close the foreskin properly. Otherwise it sucks having it half over, especially to an organ that is not sensitised to living without foreskin.

    I think what You have in mind, is repeated stroking of foreskin like a crazed animal, which phrase refers to a very degrating state of a mind for a human, almost like being on drugs and laughing at something stupid You yourself did. Human are the most self-consciouss on the planet, and that's quite a virtue. It shows you live, unlike a simple rock which just exists in time...without any real 'life'.

    Anyway you derailed this thread into something else entirely
     
  4. FrankAspie

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    One thing that keeps persisting is the tendancy to judge and to believe one is superior to other if he do not masturbate.
     
  5. Grey is colourless

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    Not automatically. But it provides an environment for becoming. Unless the environment is destroyed by other means.
     
  6. FrankAspie

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    For becoming what?

    What environment?

    What means?

    42?
     
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  7. Infrasapiens

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    You sound like an homosexual in denial. You sure like talking about penises a lot, and you have stated that you have seen men's crotches in public.

    To me you are gay but hate it, so you make this kind of threads to try to "straighten" yourself.




    Or you are just stupid.
     
  8. SuperPowers

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    I don't know man, stroking off sounds pretty good, and anyway, what do you think masturbation or jerking off means? Fapping on the other hand kind of sugar coats it. Call it masturbating because that's weak to me.
     
  9. ultrafabber

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    Watching porn is partly homosexual. Masturbation is a homosexual act.

    Yes, i mention penises a lot because as a former pmo addict i have seen thousands of other erect penises, but normally all of our ancestors only saw just one, their own.

    I dont know how you invented the part about me seeing mens crotches in public but nonetheless that is a lie so stop lying.

    Yes since i preferred masturbation to real sex i was more gay than straight.

    Stop it with the insults.
     
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  10. ultrafabber

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    Fapping definitelly sugarcoats it and i am sorry i didn't mention this in op. Fapping makes it sound like a play activity.

    However, both masturbating and stroking/jerking do not describe what is really happening. What is really happening is that you are stroking dick. Jerking off etc make it vague and ignore the object.
     
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  11. need4realchg

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    I think you challenged him to imagine a man and his and wiiwii with his wife on a train a while ago. My memory is not 100%... and I’m. Approaching drunk. Just trying to help.
     
  12. Infrasapiens

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    And my daughter. By the way, he never told me what he would in said situation, I'm still waiting.

    And in that same post he claimed to know how a huge percentage of men "wear their penises that way" and there is only one way to be sure about that.
     
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  13. IR254

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    Let's assume for a moment, that everything you said is right: You still haven't provided any explanation on how calling it "stroking dick" helps anyone with their porn addiction. I just don't see that. If anything, it makes it harder for some people because they start feeling guilty or question their sexuality. In my book, that's not helpful at all. So, what are you trying to accomplish here?

    That being said, I don't find your initial argument very convincing in the first place. The other terms describe the same behavior quite exactly as well. That's why they're being used for a long, long time by all sorts of people around the world. Language is based on the consensus among people, who speak it. And probably everyone knows exactly what you're talking about, when you say "masturbation" or "jerking off".

    Your attempt to picture the behavior as an "homosexual act" is not convincing either, because the term "homosexual" doesn't even fit (even if you would believe it's somehow homosexual, which I consider rubbish anyway). As we just established, language is based on consensus. And the consensus around the meaning of the word "homosexual" is something like "attraction to other people of one's own sex" (as indicated here for example). So, as we see, the word doesn't fit. But all of that doesn't even matter, because the first question still stands. How does it help anyone? In my opinion, it doesn't at all.
     
  14. Enwar

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    Ultrafabber's point is that, when you are masturbating, you are stroking a penis, which is true. Masturbation can be called by many different names, but he is just pointing out that that is what you are doing when you masturbate. He perhaps made a mistake by implying that "stroking dick" is the only appropriate term for masturbation; although he did not say this, it seems like that's what many here interpreted his words as, as I did as well the first time.

    There are many other words appropriate for describing the act, but "stroking dick" separates the action from the purpose of the action. In a similar way, "chewing bread" accurately describes what one is doing when they eat bread, but it doesn't express why they are chewing bread; the phrase "eating bread" does both.

    Concerning homosexuality, I agree with ultrafabber that it's wrong and unnatural, based on nature and purpose of sex, romance, and sexual attraction, as well as my religious beliefs. However, whether or not it's wrong doesn't matter in this context. Most men are disgusted by homosexuality, and rightly so. If someone proved to you that something that you did was gay, you would probably stop doing it because you don't want to do gay stuff. This is Ultrafabber's point, and he's made it at different times.

    Finally, concerning whether or not calling masturbation wrong helps one stop, I will say that my believing that masturbation was unnatural and shouldn't be done, not for practical reasons, but because it in and of itself is wrong, is what encouraged me to stop. I know that it works, at least, for some people, and so one should be allowed to take it or leave it. Besides that, things are either wrong or they aren't, so calling masturbation wrong is a matter of metaphysics, not practicality.

    This section of the NoFap forums is dedicated to subjects regarding semen retention and abstinence from ejaculation. People in this section tend to be against masturbation in general, and so I thought that this thread would be much better received, as threads like it have been at other times.
     
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  15. Coffee Candy

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    Ohhh..so let me see if I understand correctly, if you were to relapse you would be more-gay-than-straight- again but if you got back to _ day(s) PMO free you're not gay but just straight again?
     
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  16. IR254

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    I doubt that assumption. I don't think "most men" are "disgusted" by homosexuality. There is an important difference between "being disgusted" by something and not wanting to take part in it. So, I think most men don't want to do homosexual stuff, but that doesn't mean that they are disgusted by homosexuality.

    I highly doubt that one can "proof" something like masturbation as gay. Just think: The majority of men on this planet are not gay. The majority of men on this planet also masturbate on a regular basis. How could something be categorized as "gay", if the majority of people doing it are not gay? That doesn't make any sense.

    Very dangerous Black-and-White-View. Most things are not completely good or completly bad. Thinking otherwise is simplyfing the issue.

    Well, it would be better received if it would make sense. You know, it's not the first time ultrafabber posts something highly provocative, which isn't thought through. Then he is righfully critisiced for it.
     
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  17. Enwar

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    Mate, after looking at your profile, I can see that you're a big fan of masturbation. It's irrelevant to the discussion, but you shouldn't come to a section dedicated to promoted abstinence from ejaculation and advocate for masturbation. It's subversive; you ought to do it in a different section if at all.

    It's not an assumption that most men are disgusted by homosexuality. Most men are disgusting by homosexuality. What world do you live in? "Fag" is and has been an insult throughout much, if not most, of Western history at the very least. It still is today among men, although most people are tolerant of the behavior and the people who do it. People still say "no homo" when they say something sounds gay because most men have a personal disgust of homosexuality.

    Masturbating to naked men and men's penises is gay, as I'm sure most would agree, but most men who do this are not gay. For example, when I realized that this is what I was doing when I was masturbating to "boy-girl porn", as they call it, I stopped doing it immediately. It has helped me stop watching porn completely in the long run. If that can be gay while a person is not gay who does it, then the same thing can apply to masturbation, if the act is indeed gay.

    Yes, things are either bad or not. The idea that there is no objective evil is something that was developed in the past hundred or so years. It's convenient for people who want to do whatever they want to believe this, though. I should make clear that I doubt that masturbation is "wrong" in a moral sense or is literally homosexual, because it is done alone; however, it is unnatural, goes against the design for the human body, and leads to much worse things oftentimes, and so it is wrong in that way regardless.

    Ultrafabber's basic point makes sense, even if it is inaccurate. He even said that he proposed the idea to think about masturbation in terms of you stroking a penis in order to help people stop masturbating.
     
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  18. IR254

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    I'm not a "big fan", I just don't condemn it. I couldn't care less, if someone decides he doesn't want to masturbate. More power to them. I just don't like the attitude or some people on the forums, who act like masturbation is the devil in and for itself.

    I don't advocate for masturbation. I just criticise condemnation without understandable reasoning, which some people here like to do. Again: If you decide to not masturbate for whatever reason (could be spiriual, religious, or other reasons), more power to you. But when people argue it makes you gay to masturbate without providing any evidence or explanation whatsoever, I criticise that idea. As I see it, that's my right as a regular user of the forums.

    You fail to explain, why using "fag" as an insult means men are disgusted by homosexuality? Men use "pussy" as an insult too, and as far as I'm concernced most men like pussy. You see, the usage of a word as an insult says nothing about digust with the object it's related to.

    If you want to believe that, sure. That's how extremism develops. I don't want anything to do with such narrowminded ways of thinking.
     
  19. Black ∆ Fang

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    Give this man a a medal!
     
  20. SaturnsSun

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    I don’t have a penis so I’m definitely not calling it THAT.
     
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