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Stop reacting to these obnoxious porn posters

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by sir fappanot, Apr 24, 2015.

  1. sir fappanot

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    The only reason why there doing this whole porn posting is to incite a reaction from us. Seeing threads filled with, " THE PORN BOMBERS ARE BACK!!! DON'T LOOK!!" is probably making them poop there pants with laughter.

    I'm not try to criticize anyone who made a post like this, thank you very much, it's fantastic of you to alarm the community! However, I just feel like that's what they want to see, is a little freak out that has this site up on flames.

    I think we should handle these future "porn attacks" by just reporting the posts, messaging a moderator, messaging individuals we know, and leaving a comment in the little side bar of updates saying "porn posted in _____ do not go there" . Keeping the threads bombarded with our then reactions to said porn is only giving them what they want.

    From once upon a time having been an obnoxious younger brother, I can say these guys just want a reaction, attention, and to be noticed. This is funny to them. But the moment we stop caring, the moment we stop reacting, the moment they will to. To them it's gotta be like lighting an ant hill on fire and watching all the ants scatter away on fire. There just doing it cause they get a funny reaction.

    I just simply suggest we keep our reactions down tremendously. MAKE IT APPEAR AS THOUGH there postings have no impact through a consistently boring reaction to it.

    * also, seeing porn posted here doesn't have to make you instantly masterbate. If one chooses to masterbate from an attack, I agree, it's real shitty of the posters, but at the same time, we are never the victims. If we choose to PMO to those images, we are not the victims. You, and only you, can make the decision to PMO, just because there was a porn attack does not make you a victim.

    Idk these are just my thoughts and feelings, feel free to disagree
     
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2015
  2. Agreed. Seems to divide opinion on here, though.
     
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  3. sir fappanot

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    *** my apologies what's above is redundant to what anyone else. I imagine were all thinking around the same thing. I haven't read much of the other solutions posted.
    Just thank you moderators for swooping in.

    The reality is, this is the internet. There are trolls and dinguses in the thousands. They'll keep coming back to incite panic, because it's a reaction, and that's the only way they'll get attention in life. Give em no attention. Handle these tactfully, and quitly
     
  4. Daris

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    That might just work, IF he was a normal troll. You can tell just by the insane effort he puts into this that he isn't.
     
  5. KeenEye

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    It's great that you see so many wise people here on nofap. I agree with what you said. Let's treat these trolls the way you would treat a negative thought: not give it focus
     
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  6. Chris1052

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    Yes please, all these porn bomber alert posts are taking the focus off our recovery.
     
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  7. sir fappanot

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    As users of the site, we are pretty helpless as for with taking any sort of real action. From reading a bit more, our site moderator and creator, Alexander, is doing a kickass job along with the other moderators. They are working to solve the problem.

    What I am simply saying is that for us as user, don't play into his trolling. Calling it a war only makes it more fun for this turd burgler. That validates what he's doing. There is no war.

    He can keep posting this shit till the end of time, but let's just not react. In the mean time Alexander and the other mods are working to refine the security of the site.

    but please, let us quit our bitching.

    and chris, I absolutely agree with you dawg. This is about our recovery. And keen eye, exactly! It is very much like a thought, only this has some more physical manifestations... and this has just blown my mind haha.

    Think of these periodic porn postings like your own thoughts! What Cute Hipster is doing is NO different from what we allow to go on in our heads each and every single day. When we fantasize we choose to look. When we continue looking we dig ourselves deeper into the thing we're all trying to get away from.

    We allow this kind of "posting" to go on in our heads everyday. How crazy is that?

     
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  8. aakkss

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    we did all that only to stop others from clicking on those threads, and at that time it was the only option we were able to think of. and if you want some details on this topic, check out a thread named "JOKER's porn bomb attack? Any
    Precautions next time?" it's in the rebooting section..
     
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  9. handyman

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    Difficult to look away, though... That part sucks.
     
  10. sir fappanot

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    totes man. i agree fully. right call no doubt, not trying to knock anyone here. Just was sharing ma thoughts. as I conveyed that yes, that what I was saying would probably be redundant as I had noticed the other thread. alas, the past is the past. looks like as a community people are on the same page.

     
  11. Beatsher

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    It's difficult i think.
    You're right, if we call this war, it's what they expect. But in the first moments of their actions I relapsed to my old habit to hide, do nothing and wait for others to do the job.
    So our actions of counter-spam the forum was part help for fellow fapstronauts and part just doing something and changing my ways. And a little part of fun.
    In my opinion, you can't do anything against them. But if you do the counter measures for your own benefit you're the one who's winning, even in provoking them.
    Don't argue with idiots. They pull you down to their level and then beat you with their experience!
     
  12. Your point is well made I just take small offense at this part. Many people come here when they are feeling like they are hanging on by a thread, their brains want that dopamine hit sooo badly that it is all they can do to click on the link to come here rather then go to one of their old favorite porn sites. They come here to feel safe and calm themselves and the last thing they expect to find are gifs and images of porn. This is like going to the Fire Station in the middle of a town blaze only to find that once you get inside the Fire Station is up in flames as well. It is disheartening and causes you to lose hope for a moment because you to not know where to turn. And that moment is all it takes to relapse and seek comfort in that dopamine rush. Granted now that we know that porn attacks are a possibility we are more on guard and it is not such a big deal but the first few times it happened it was devastating. Addiction is not just about weakness or lack of will and beating it is not just a matter of strength and fortitude but rather about support. It is like Teal Swan said in her video, "Sobriety is not the opposite of addiction, human connection is." And people come here to find some measure of human connection with a community that shares their struggles.

    I feel that it is not fair to say that they were "no victims", and my heart goes out to the people that did lose the streaks or find their relationships with their husbands or wives damaged by painful memories brought on by this attack. Imagine if you had promised your wife that you were never going to look at porn again and you log on to Nofap and suddenly you are staring at porn and the love of your life is standing behind you shocked and hurt that you lied to her. Hopeful you can straiten things out with her but there will still be emotional scars. Is not that person a victim? I am sorry I just feel really strongly about this.

    All that being said yes you should never feed Trolls and I will be happy to steer clear of any future trolls. Further more I would like nothing better then to leave such attacks to the moderators in the future and never have another night like last night staying up half the night with no sleep trying to help the people I care about. I was one of the first people to see the attack start, and do you know what I did. Exactly what you said. First I posted on the profile updates side bar warning people that there was a porn attack and to not to look at avatars. Then I Messaged Alexander informing him of what was going on and asking for help. Then I Went about reporting as many of the porn profiles as I could. I was joined by others and collectively getting worried to see the whole forum filling up with porn with still with no sign of the moderators we tried to do the best we could to minimize the damage. Was the spam the right decision, in hindsight no, but at the time I can not say. We tried to help out as best we could, nothing more nothing less. If there had been a moderator around we would have never shouted PORN ATTACK!!! all over the forum because we would not have needed to. As I said the shock of these attacks is pretty much gone so even if another one comes it will have to be pretty crazy to evoke the need for panic.

    I just wanted to speak on behalf of the people that tried to help last night, and also to stand up for the people who did suffer as "victims" of the attack. Shoving a porn image in a PMO addicts face when he is feeling triggered is not unlike pouring booze into an alcoholics mouth when he is dieing for a drink. It is hard for the alcoholic to get the taste of the drink out of his mouth just as it is hard for the PMO addict to get the image of what he just saw out of his mind. Both can lead to relapse and both make the people in question victims of someone else's sick idea of a joke.

    Again your post is well worded and well meaning and I agree we must work together and keep calm heads in the face of any more attempts to shake us from our pursuit of a better life. I have full faith in the Moderators and I feel we are not going to see such an attack again thanks to their measures and diligence.
     
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  13. As one of the few who were online at the time of the attack, I was quick to offer the same sentiments as this topic creator, but felt it was falling on deaf ears. In the heat of the moment, people are going to act on instinct rather than listen to rational. Thanks for articulating the argument in a more convincing manner than I could obviously manage and hopefully we're now well-equipped to handle any repeat occurrence.
     
  14. SerpentEagleHeart

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    I sort of want to respectfully disagree with/put into perspective some of what's been said in this thread.

    I think it's worth mentioning that this attack wasn't from the sort of trolls you have read about. This wasn't a bunch of teenagers sitting round laughing at destroying a website. This was one individual who was clearly extremely upset (and unhinged). For me, I was trying to open up a dialogue with this individual, because that seemed at the time the only way to stop it. In fact, once he did start responding to my comments he stopped spamming the site. Furthermore, the response from members of the community who 'counter-spammed' the attack was excellent; it showed that we weren't giving up and that we wouldn't be beaten. This attacker doesn't want 'lulz', he wants revenge. The people who stopped him stopped him from getting his revenge should be applauded.

    In future, I would agree that in different types of attacks (and the ones we're more likely to expect, people doing it for 'the lulz') ignoring it and waiting for mods to arrive is the best option. However, in this case it was a long time before they did, a previous attack had already cost someone a 131 day streak, and everyone did the best they could at the time.

    Them's my two cents anyhow.
     
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  15. monkotto

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    guys it was an accident. the nofap-website has a broken finger now. that will cure quickly.

    the simplest way is:
    leave the website immediately and wait till the mods cleaned it!

    to the guys who relapsed - stand up and start again! a relapse is not the death. just dont binge - start again.

    the advanced-fapstronauts had some fun. ;)
     
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  16. aakkss

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    ok man, as you say, the next time these attacks happen, I will be a selfish guy and won't warn anyone. it's none of my business if the lose their streak due to some nasty attack.
    thanks for showing me the right way.:)
     
  17. I agree in theory, but in practice I don't think it works out really well. When trolls come around, it is exciting. People get worked up, emotions get high, we all draw together to face the threat. It's not a regular blue sky Sunday when trolls are around. And I think no matter how we respond, we all react to that. Might be human nature, even. In a perfect forum everyone would ignore the troll, but it just doesn't happen. Not everyone has that kind of control over their emotions. And we shouldn't expect them to. This is a forum for addicts, after all, who use PMO to control their emotions. We shouldn't expect perfect emotional control from someone who is just learning how to deal with their emotions without a dopamine crutch.

    Our very nature as porn addicts makes us susceptible to spam attacks over and above the usual. Porn spam is not just annoying, it's dangerous. It's like being able to download alcohol into a recovering alcoholic's bloodstream just by posting pictures of beer. So its not just annoying meme spam and inane comments. Porn spam is a whole new level of maliciousness, whether the spammers realize that or not.

    When a porn spam attack is occurring, and mods aren't around, the safety of your fellow fapstronauts should take precedence. And that's what I saw both with the people who were warning others and people who were just sitting tight and telling others not to react. You both were trying to deal with the situation in your own way. So I don't think we should apportion blame. You guys did what you thought was best, and you did it for your fellow fapstronauts. Nothing else more need be said.

    Ultimately it is my duty as a moderator to keep this site safe. And so what happened was in short the moderation team's failure. You guys shouldn't have to deal with this stuff. That is what we are here for. With the new policies we are enacting, these kinds of attacks should not happen anymore.
     
  18. aakkss

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    glad to now that you are trying hard to stop these attacks. but, i ask you(mods and alex) to post a thread which include the code of conduct one should follow in case of an emergency.
     
  19. We're working on one, aakkss.
     
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  20. aakkss

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    that should end the whole discussion.:)
     

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