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Talking to my SO about this

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by DonkeyKart8, Jun 9, 2022.

  1. DonkeyKart8

    DonkeyKart8 Fapstronaut

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    This is my 1st post, though I have been viewing these forums for quite some time now.
    I`d like to solicit some opinions from the SOs on here.

    I (51M) have been married for 29 years, and have been using PMO off and on since before my marriage. Last Fall I stumbled across YBOP and this forum, and decided to stop PMO and immediately began what turned into a 90+ day streak. I went back to PMO for a couple of months, but continued reading posts here, particularly from SOs to try to get a better sense of how PMO was impacting my wife and our relationship. I decided to stop PMO for good in April.

    My wife is fairly open minded. And while she says she doesn't really understand MO, she does read adult novels and we have watched P together (not the tube sites, think more Outlander and GOT). I have had many discussions regarding PMO with my wife over the years and we even watched Fireproof your Marriage which some friends of ours passed on to us. Those discussions, though, have been fairly shallow. She is more of a "don't ask, don't tell" type when it comes to this. When I do try to go deeper, she tells me that it is natural and that I'm being too hard on myself.

    When she talks about PMO outside the context of me (e.g. friends calling her with similar spousal issues), she seems quite a bit more judgemental. Should I be concerned that her response to me seems different than her response outside the context of me? My concern stems from the fact that she is also a "choose your battles" type of person. I fear that she has just chosen not to engage on this, while under the surface she is despising me.
     
  2. Psalm27:1my light

    Psalm27:1my light Fapstronaut

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    The only way you know is by talking about it. I dont mean minimizing either. I mean sitting down, and talking about you, your relationship with porn( you’ve been doing it since before you were married and you think you are addicted, and no, it’s not normal), and ask her does she want to know more? Does she want to talk about it? If she doesn’t care, does she mind if you talk about your recovery efforts? Or does she not want to hear any of it? Not all women view it as cheating nor do they think it’s a problem in their marriage. Around 87% view it’s as infidelity, but that leaves 13% who don’t care. I was in the 13% until I realized what it was doing to my marriage. Of the 87% who view it as cheating the vast majority are more hurt and end up leaving because of the lies and dishonesty of their partner not the porn use. Not all people react the same. Most SO’s on here caught their partner, many on here view it as cheating and feel betrayed, but again, not all. The only way you will know is by talking. It’s also the way you will build deeper connection and intimacy which will help you with your recovery.
     
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  3. DonkeyKart8

    DonkeyKart8 Fapstronaut

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    Appreciate your response! I will give it another go, maybe using a different approach focusing on my desire to cease PMO and journey toward that decision.

    The thing is, I am not convinced that I am an addict...more of a habit really. The reason I say that is, while I used PMO on and off throughout my life, until this past Fall I had never made a concerted effort not to do it. It was really just a matter if it fit in my life at the moment. I did have what I thought was a reason to stop in the Fall (brain fog), so stopped. But after some testing, it turned out there was a medical reason for that, which has since been taken care of. So PMO fit back in my life again. This latest effort was once I realized the potential relationship damage that could occur + all the negative societal impacts of P that I had never really thought of before reading the stuff here. So P was not negatively affecting my life and neither time that I actually tried to stop did I experience any difficulty doing so--no dopamine withdrawal, no chaser effect, no flatline, basically none of the ill affects I see other members on here posting about during recovery. At least not yet anyway. If I find that I ever need to reset from this point forward, then that will be a different matter.

    Probably won't be discussing tonight though. SO is coming off 3 12hr shifts, and she is never in the mood for deep discussion afer that.
     
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  4. Psalm27:1my light

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    Ask yourself, why you look at porn? It’s completely unnecessary and unnatural and women and children are trafficked and there is absolutely no way for you to separate the ones who are willing from those who are forced. Not even the “ amateur” porn can be separated from rolling and unwilling. You may not be addicted, but do you really want to support and industry like this?
     
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  5. DonkeyKart8

    DonkeyKart8 Fapstronaut

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    Exactly why I decided to stop P for good. One I got educated about this, I could not support this industry any longer.
     
  6. Everything @Psalm27:1my light said is all right on. I'd just like to add one thing...even if your wife isn't as accepting of your P use as she makes it seem to you, I would say it's very unlikely that she despises you. Even those of us who feel that PMO is cheating don't typically despise our partner. It hurts, yes, but that's because we love our partners and despise the damage it's causing our marriage/relationship.

    It's possible that your wife truly doesn't like for PMO to be a part of your life, but she has chosen to not deal with it openly. A lot of SO's do this because, to them, denial is easier than facing it. However, it's also possible that she feels just the way she's expressed to you, but when she's talking to her friends who are dealing with it and are possibly hurt by it, she's more critical of it as a way of being more supportive and empathetic to them.

    As was stated above, you really have to talk to her about it to know.
     
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  7. happenstance

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    I have a point I'd like to make here. What my husband and I learned beyond what others have posted is that it affects your relationship whether you believe it does or not. What we learned was that it has a profound impact on your brain. When you engage in PMO you map into your brain that very dysfunctional process of PMO. So your brain responds to it much more readily than it would in a normal healthy sexual relationship. As my husband put it...it is like an engine that has 8 cylinders but is only running on 6 if that means anything to you. You have neurobiologically wired your brain to respond to PMO even if you're not addicted to it. I assure you that if you've been doing this for 30+ years it's a permanent part of your brain. It doesn't mean you can't do anything about it thanks to neuroplasticity.

    I concur with others here. Ask her if she's open to discussing it. She may not be. You have to be OK with that. As for the hypocritical difference between what she tells you regarding your PMO and what she tells others regarding theirs I would suggest she is just trying to be supportive of them regardless. Either way it's apparent you know what the right thing to do is so do it and let the cards fall where they may. She may not realize it yet but she will become quite the beneficiary of it if you eradicate it from your life. JMHO.
     
  8. ANewFocus

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    My wife is similar to yours in many ways. My journey to quit PMO for her is about being more sexually available for, not leading to cheating in other ways and because it’s important to me, she wants me to do it.

    For me, I know I’m an addict because I can’t resist porn once the thought comes to me; I’ll do it when I should be doing more important things; so often that it makes me feel numb or feel bad; for long sessions of 45 minutes or more; when I have risk of being caught; when I could be connecting with my wife which I know is better.
     
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  9. DonkeyKart8

    DonkeyKart8 Fapstronaut

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    First thing, I have an incredible wife!

    Thank you all for the feedback. Your comments helped add to our conversation in ways we hadn't discussed this before.

    Empathy with her friends is definitely part of her response. But she also has definite lines not to cross. They were more implied before, so it was good to clearly get those defined.

    What we figured out is that my wife has been focused on the long term, me the short. Overall I'd say that has worked mediocre over the years. PMO is a very short term mindset. I am going to try to focus more on the long term, giving her a break from that so she can experience more short term benefits for herself.

    Yes, I have wasted a lot of time that could have been better spent, focused on my wife, or anything else productive really.
     
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