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The flatline according to current knowledge

Discussion in 'Porn-Induced Sexual Dysfunctions' started by Deleted Account, Oct 27, 2020.

  1. Hi everyone.

    This information is acquired in part from the knowledge that Gabe Deem exposes in a video of his authorship.

    Your credits and knowledge for those who need to be well informed about flat lines:

    I think this guy sums it up rather nicely after a few day of brain contra means

    I went into a flatline for weeks. Basically I felt totally indifferent about girls, sex, everything. A voice from the porn beast nagged at me in the back og my mind but mostly I just didn´t care and my penis was very lifeless and small, it was like somebody just pulled the plugo n whatever machine provides my sex drive. No libido at all.

    A Little reboot movement history for you, in the mid to late 2000s the first guys to show up and document the recoveries and their success stories were typically older and often recovered from porn induced sexual dysfunctions and low libido in about six to eight weeks, but then something unexpected happened.

    Yourger guys started showing up and taking longer and longer to recover and experience really long flatlines, I was one of those guys in 2012, when I was 23 otherwise healthy, my porn use ended up giving me a limp noodle, my recovery was hands down the worst periodo f my life.

    I was in a flatline for a six months, and for the first three months I couldn´t any recovery at all and I couldn´t even get an erection for sex even with Drugs ED. I started t osee some progress around 3 months, I started getting MW again nocturnal directions and that progressively got better and better with time then around month six I some libido.

    I was seeing some more improvement at this point I was able to get an erection for oral sex, and I had some orgasms that way.

    But every time I would do that I would go back into a flatline for what felt like a couple weeks, but as time went on the duration of those flatlines kept decreasing and then around nine months after quitting porn I recovered and I got through it and I believe we can all get through it flatline recharge so with him we Will.

    Now why in the world would Young guys go into a flat line with no libido and a lifeless penis simply quitting porn.

    Why would a 20 year old take longer to recover from PIED edie tan a 50 year old, that´s complete backwards from what you would expect.

    What causes the flatline ?

    We don´t know for sure it hasn´t been studied, but the science behind the adolescent brain sexual conditioning and the neurosciencie behind addiction can all help explain it.

    Let´s look at some possible causses of the flat line and then I´ll give you some of the best advice successful reboot errs have found helpful.

    Is the flatline do to bust and too many nuts what traditional Chinese medicine would call “sexual exhaustion”. If the flatline were only a couple days to a couple weeks this might make some sense.

    Now, there are several reasons why this does not explain the flatline. But the main one is that younger guys in their teens and 20s, often take longer to recovery than tha guys in the 50s.

    This alone rules out rat-like exhaution as the cause of long flatlines, and rule out another myth that floats around in the manosphere neither a Jack you a ting a bunch nor abstaining and storing up your man juice for a long time, has any long term impacto on blood testosterone.

    Is a flatline withdrawal symptom?

    It can certainly play a role when any addict quits an addiction predictable neuro chamical and celular changes take place in the brain regions. The neurochamical changes behind withdrawal may include a decrease in dopamine.

    Multiple studies in the last couple years hace found withdrawal symptoms and porn addicts.

    Again such symptoms may explain shorter flatlines that last a couple weeks to a couple months, but we know flatlines can last several months, much longer thant withdrawal symptoms typically last.

    So let´s look at another possibility:

    The current prevailing theory behind the flatline and the one that makes the most sense in my opinión:

    Sexual conditioning.

    What if Young guys often take longer to recovery than older guys because they deeply sexually condition themselves all during the adolescent.

    Neural pathways that are used porn become stronger and better insulated with what is called myelin that increases the speed of nerve impulses.

    Neuroscientists call this cue reactivity sensitization

    Chronic porn use may be altering the sexual centers in the brain (changes in hypothalamus?).

    Just as over eating junk food to the point of the obesity changes the brains regulation of hunger satiation and metabolism. It could be that years of chronic porn use are changing negatively impact the dopamine signaling in the hypothalamus.

    In ways, that don´t happen in other addictions. Such changes could explain youthful edie low libido and long flatlines and otherwise healthy Young men.

    If dopamine signaling is well below normal either in the red dot called the nucleus accumbens or the hypothalamus, the message is weak and so are erections.

    A italian study confirmed this hypothesis. Scientits compared two groups of men with eréctile dysfunction. First, they had men with an obvious physical cause and secondly, they had men withhout any known physical cause.

    The group without a known cause had les grey matter which means fewer nerve connections. Guess which parts of the brain were affected. The reward center in the hypothalamus in blue, les gray manner translates into less dopamine signaling which is desensitization a major player and PIED.

    So it´s completely logical that something similar is going on with porn and new sexual dysfunctions and the flatline. Whatever causes the flatline it´s clear that this phenomenon is unique to heavy porn use as sexual abstinence, typically isn´t associated with a severe drop in libido.

    Quite the contrary actually here´s what we do know if porn is the cause of your flatline, abstaining from porn is the cure.

    Now a frequently asked question how longi s the flatline?

    There´s no answer for this, as everyone´s brain is different. You can look to others rebooting stories as a guide, but just know that no one has your exact genetics and your exact experiencies. In fact, a study on primates using cocaine found that the amount of substances, they did wasn´t correlated with recovery times and regaining their dopamine signaling.

    Suggesting that there was some genetic differences and recovery time.

    There´s so many other variables that Will affect recovery, like the age you were when you first started watching porn regulary, the way you watch porn: some guys watch porn with multiple Windows and tabs.

    Edging to porn is the worst. Edging is where you watch porn for a long time keeping arousal high, right before you go over the Edge and ejaculate. Whether or not you had past sexual experiencie. Sexual conditioning is far more malleable if you´ve already had established normal sexual experiencies.

    One study that trained rats to ejaculate quickly by cock-blocking them and pulling the female rats out of the cage after they only had sex for a minute, found that the rats that didn´t have any sexual experience, before the study, continued to ejaculate quickly after the study even when they were given unlimited time for sex.

    The older rats who has who had established sexual experience before the study, went back to normal ejaculation times.

    The point is that early sexual conditioning matters and it can be difficult to reverse. With all that said many reboot errs Will recover and get out the flatline within the first three months: some especially those who grew up using internet porn all through their adolescence might take to six or even longer. We´ve seen some guys take up to a year or more.

    Be patient, now recovery is not always linear. It looks more like this. Some Good days are often followed by bad days, but overall as time goes by things Will get better and better if you stay the course.

    Many rebooters go in and out of flatlines several times during the recovery: regardless of how long it takes have hope. The brain can always change as far as we know everyone thatá been successful in staying away from porn has seen improvement and ultimately recovered.

    Be consistent avoid all artificial sexual stimulation. Avoid anything that may be subconsciously arousing you in activating porn pathways in your brain. Whether it´s social media. Whatever it is that you´re seeking for a sexual dopamine hit on a screen avoid because it may slow down recovery.

    My motto is if it ain´t real no deal.

    Do not test with porn. You already know the answer from the last time you watched porn and porn is the problema.

    If your dick worked with porn but now feels lifeless and dead since you quit, you know you´re most likely in a flatline. One thing I Will add is some guys that feel stuck in a flatline for a long periodo of time, may finf masturbation beneficial, as long as it´s with no porn, and no porn fantasy, just using sensation alone.

    Some rebooters have reported that gentle masturbation helped spark up their libido again, but if you decide to do this make sure you use.

    Now, there are often two parts of recovery. The first part would be rebooting, regaining sensitivity in your reward circuit, and letting porn pathways wither away and weaken and rewiring for longer flatlines in law removers, you may have to rewire your arousal template back to a real partner.

    Rewiring doesn´t have mean attempting sex. Anything like cuddling, kissing, massage or simply enjoying time around and spending time a real loving partner maya ll hel rewire.

    You in short spend less time getting connected online and more time getting connected with people in a real life.

    I did a lot of rewiring with my girlfriend throughout my recovery process and I found it extremely beneficial and I just tried to enjoy life and other things as much as possible. Your attitude behind recovery is essential, a loto f succesful rebooters look at this process as an opportunity to become a better versión of yourself in all áreas of life.

    Now, there´s one more thing that´s difficult to explain and answer about flatlines and that´s that some guys report that ejaculation sends them back into a flatline temporarily.

    My advice and the weisse from many other successful reboot is to take things slow treat the recovery process like a broken bone or a sprained ankle. Give it time to rest completely and then slowly ease back into things. When I started having sex, I space my orgasms out in an attempt not to over stimulate my brain. Allowing some time in between orgasmos seem to help me from dipping back into the flatline.

    I also found slow gentle sex without the goa lof orgasm pretty beneficial. This is called Karezza and it might be worth the try if you´re struggling with the flatline for a long time. Just a suggestion though everyone at the end of the day has to do what is best for you.
     
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  2. ss1111

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    I was in a flatline for a month I believe. In fact I went into one I believe days before I quit pmo because I felt that my libido was dead for a while. Then after I quit pmo I actually hit flatline for a month, I had phases where I was slightly horny and had erections but nothing over the top. I also had COVID during that time so I’m not sure if that caused the drop in my libido or was it the flatline or did they overlap. But after that my libido returned. After a couple of wet dreams I again went into flatline which was a very short one, around 6 days or not 7. After that I noticed a massive improvement in my pied symptoms and boners as well. Rock hard like never before.

    What I feel is a flatline is a temporary period which heals your mind or something like a bridge that when you cross you recover and the signs are evident to you.
     
  3. [QUOTE = "ss1111, post: 2778727, member: 409689"] Estuve en una línea plana durante un mes, creo. De hecho, creo que entré en uno días antes de dejar la pmo porque sentí que mi libido estaba muerta por un tiempo. Luego, después de que dejé la pmo, en realidad llegué a la línea plana durante un mes, tuve fases en las que estaba un poco caliente y tenía erecciones pero nada exagerado. También tuve COVID durante ese tiempo, así que no estoy seguro si eso causó la caída en mi libido o fue la línea plana o se superpusieron. Pero después de eso mi libido regresó. Después de un par de sueños húmedos volví a entrar en línea plana, que fue muy corta, alrededor de 6 días o no 7. Después de eso, noté una mejora masiva en mis síntomas de pied y erecciones también. Rock duro como nunca antes.

    Lo que siento es una línea plana es un período temporal que sana tu mente o algo así como un puente que cuando cruzas te recuperas y las señales son evidentes para ti. [/ QUOTE]


    Very GOOD. Super.
     
  4. ss1111

    ss1111 Fapstronaut

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    Unfortunately I can’t follow the language
     
  5. amaze99

    amaze99 Fapstronaut

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    A lot of people have masturbation, look at the history of the yellow video, from small start, his preteens to start, and then the development of more and more extreme, by upgrading some video, curriculum is not the edge, and then, one day, suddenly lost sexual desire, and is not sensitive to the sex video content, no interest in the videos then get into flat,lost libido it is far from ninety days to recover
     
  6. amaze99

    amaze99 Fapstronaut

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    it can happen before quit pmo
     
  7. Red Moon

    Red Moon Fapstronaut

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    In the Flatline for 25 months and counting. Did you have genital numbness ? Have you fully recovered from PIED ?
     
  8. amaze99

    amaze99 Fapstronaut

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    no i start no fape last month
     

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