The Harm of Masturbation: Physical and Mental Damage, Exposing the Lie of "Harmless Theory"

[Zwuckel]

Thaz

Looking at your first link, they consider "hypersexual desire" the act of masturbating 7 times per week, for 6 consecutive months or more... this means masturbation on a daily basis, which also means lots of porn view associated with the act (including edging). That's clearly "over-masturbation" but we can't then say that masturbation is harmful. If we eat 5 hours/day and we get extremely fat, can we say that "food is harmful"? Of course not...
Masturbating on a daily basis with porn is a thing, masturbating (for example) once per week, without porn, is a completely different thing.

That is what I wrote. That I believe there is nothing harmful in low frequency masturbation but to gain all benefits it might be better to have less than every week.

Depends on personal choice I guess

 

[kenshin81]

I didn't mean to criticize you, but only to add my own consideration.

 

[Zwuckel]

I didn't mean to criticize you, but only to add my own consideration.

My bad. Rough paws this week.

 

[Primarch]

I find it somewhat amusing that on a forum full of people whose life has so far been ruined by masturbation some claim it's not harmful.

 

[Keepitsimple1989]

I find it somewhat amusing that on a forum full of people whose life has so far been ruined by masturbation some claim it's not harmful.

That’s not what we are saying. It’s al about the context.

If I eat chocolate, it isn’t harmful if it’s in moderation. If I eat chocolate 8 times a day everyday, then it’s harmful.

This is what we are saying about masturbation. If someone does it once every month or 2 months, then it isn’t harmful. The act of masturbation is self isn’t harmful, it’s the amount you do it. If someone masturbates 2 times a day every day hours on end, then it’s harmful.

It’s the frequency that makes it harmful. If it isn’t done in moderation, then test isn’t harmful. The act itself if done in moderation isn’t harmful.

When you speak about this forum, you are speaking about the people that didn’t do it in moderation, you are speaking about the people that masturbated to an enormous frequency and most topped off with porn. This is what has ruined their life. It’s their addiction, not masturbation.

Think of it like alcohol, people can drink responsibly and they are fine, it isn’t harmful. Drink alcohol excessively and you become an alcoholic, an addiction which is harmful.

 

[Primarch]

That’s not what we are saying. It’s al about the context.

If I eat chocolate, it isn’t harmful if it’s in moderation. If I eat chocolate 8 times a day everyday, then it’s harmful.

This is what we are saying about masturbation. If someone does it once every month or 2 months, then it isn’t harmful. The act of masturbation is self isn’t harmful, it’s the amount you do it. If someone masturbates 2 times a day every day hours on end, then it’s harmful.

It’s the frequency that makes it harmful. If it isn’t done in moderation, then test isn’t harmful. The act itself if done in moderation isn’t harmful.

When you speak about this forum, you are speaking about the people that didn’t do it in moderation, you are speaking about the people that masturbated to an enormous frequency and most topped off with porn. This is what has ruined their life. It’s their addiction, not masturbation.

Think of it like alcohol, people can drink responsibly and they are fine, it isn’t harmful. Drink alcohol excessively and you become an alcoholic, an addiction which is harmful.

I am of the opinion that moderation is not at all. No free animal in the wild jacks off. Only helpless, frustrated animals in captivity.

That's not healthy behavior nor something anyone should ever emulate.

 

[kenshin81]

Non-reproductive sexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Abstain_And_Gain]

Knives are external tools, like scissors, screwdrivers and so on. You can use those in the bad or right way based on your choice. Alcohol, smoke and similar are external substances and are always bad, no matter the amount you take. Difference here is that small amount doesn't change you that much at all, but they're technically bad.
Masturbation is not a substance nor an external tool. It "comes" with you and the evolution of the mankind and animals as well. It's like saying that walking erect is harmful... All animals able to masturbate, masturbates to some extent. If it was so bad, the evolution would have removed that, exactly like chimps lost their tails 25 millions years ago and started to walk erect before evolving into men. Men and women have always practice masturbation without issues, the current problem is the link between masturbation and porn/porn addiction (which is a recent "creation"). If you remove porn/sexual images from the equation, nobody will masturbate 5 times per day... granted!

I agree porn makes you masturbate excessively. It makes sense because your brain is tricked into thinking you have just hit the jackpot. It’s tricked into thinking you are mating with all these women and to make the most of it. The phrase strike while the iron is hot explains it perfectly. It makes you go back to it over and over again causing excessive masturbation. You know it’s just pixels and not happening in real life but your brain get the same dopamine and more. Like you said, take it away and I don’t think people would be fapping it anywhere near as much.

Maybe I’m just coping because I have stopped porn for 45 days but have masturbated in that time. Just my thoughts.

 

[Keepitsimple1989]

I am of the opinion that moderation is not at all. No free animal in the wild jacks off. Only helpless, frustrated animals in captivity.

That's not healthy behavior nor something anyone should ever emulate.

This really doesn’t mean anything, you need to prove that even one act of masturbation is harmful.

No one disagrees excessive masturbation is harmful, however your statement was using this forum as an example about how harmful is it, which basically proves the point we are making. If done excessively, then it is harmful.

These issues never really existed 50-60 years ago.

 

[Abstain_And_Gain]

I am of the opinion that moderation is not at all. No free animal in the wild jacks off. Only helpless, frustrated animals in captivity.

That's not healthy behavior nor something anyone should ever emulate.

This really doesn’t mean anything, you need to prove that even one act of masturbation is harmful.

No one disagrees excessive masturbation is harmful, however your statement was using this forum as an example about how harmful is it, which basically proves the point we are making. If done excessively, then it is harmful.

These issues never really existed 50-60 years ago.

Humans must of been masturbating since beginning of time. Like keep it simple said this wasn’t really a thing 50-60 years ago. The new thing in the equation is HD video porn that everyone has in their pocket.

 

[Primarch]

This really doesn’t mean anything, you need to prove that even one act of masturbation is harmful.

No one disagrees excessive masturbation is harmful, however your statement was using this forum as an example about how harmful is it, which basically proves the point we are making. If done excessively, then it is harmful.

These issues never really existed 50-60 years ago.

I do not need to prove you anything. That you're playing the devil's advocate tells me everything I need to know.

 

[Keepitsimple1989]

I do not need to prove you anything. That you're playing the devil's advocate tells me everything I need to know.

It’s not devils advocate, it’s facts.

Just because you have made up beliefs in your head that aren’t true doesn’t mean people can’t question your logic.

You called out people for giving you facts, then you give a response that has nothing to do with your Initial comment.

Well done

 

[Keepitsimple1989]

Humans must of been masturbating since beginning of time. Like keep it simple said this wasn’t really a thing 50-60 years ago. The new thing in the equation is HD video porn that everyone has in their pocket.

No point in trying to explain to him what Almost everyone on this thread has tried explaining to him.

Some people on this forum don’t like hearing facts despite how much they may not accept it

 

[Sleeperhead]

There are a million things that works on rats but doesn't work on human, that's why medications have last trial step made on human. Lots of supplements "works" on rats or animals but doesn't work on human... So you're basing all of your statements on response from forums about semen retention, where all users are like a sept and spread misinformations like better aura, more women attractions, life force depletion and other fancy fake news.
Oh and by the way, I also found no difference between my day zero and my day after 6 months of semen retention. All of these effects are placebo and/or mental suggestion.

Possibly the laziest argument I have ever read.

Yes a rat is not a human, but in this context we are talking about sexual satiety. A rat after several ejaculations has problems with arousal, the same way a human would, behaviour that is generally consistent across all mammals, therefore the likelihood is that the brain chemistry response is similar.

You'd have to be pretty dumb to not realise that when a guy is talking about his life force being diminished that he is just using that as a metaphor right? In essence you have 1000s of guys reporting benefits from not ejaculating, you can try and discredit that any way you want, but the fact remains just that. This on its own does not prove what I say, but again in terms of likelihood when you have many accounts of people experiencing something chances are that there is substance behind it.

Now why would you not experience any changes. It seems to be that you never fapped that much to begin with. My belief is that the benefits are accumulative. You would not notice much after one single ejaculation, but once a week over a period of months would cause change that is just my opinion, but that is more valid than your opinion because I have a greater understanding and more experience than you.

 

[Keepitsimple1989]

Possibly the laziest argument I have ever read.

Yes a rat is not a human, but in this context we are talking about sexual satiety. A rat after several ejaculations has problems with arousal, the same way a human would, behaviour that is generally consistent across all mammals, therefore the likelihood is that the brain chemistry response is similar.

You'd have to be pretty dumb to not realise that when a guy is talking about his life force being diminished that he is just using that as a metaphor right? In essence you have 1000s of guys reporting benefits from not ejaculating, you can try and discredit that any way you want, but the fact remains just that. This on its own does not prove what I say, but again in terms of likelihood when you have many accounts of people experiencing something chances are that there is substance behind it.

Now why would you not experience any changes. It seems to be that you never fapped that much to begin with. My belief is that the benefits are accumulative. You would not notice much after one single ejaculation, but once a week over a period of months would cause change that is just my opinion, but that is more valid than your opinion because I have a greater understanding and more experience than you.

You really need to stop with this self narcissism about yourself by always claiming “you have a greater understanding and more experience”, bud you are 29 years old acting like you are the father of times.

Your explanation is as empty as any medical studies performed on your claims, they don’t exist.

You keep referring back to this forum that there are 1000’s of accounts baking what you claim, yet there are billions of people backing my claim and @kenshin81

You are the minority on all of this, including your 1000’s of peoples testimony’s in this forum when we have billions of people outside this forum who claim the opposite.

Get off your high horse and stop trying to speak to everyone as if you are the light to the end of this tunnel and have all the answers to everyone’s questions/problem.

Your claims are laughable, no real proof, and are as you are, a joke.

 

[kenshin81]

Now why would you not experience any changes. It seems to be that you never fapped that much to begin with. My belief is that the benefits are accumulative. You would not notice much after one single ejaculation, but once a week over a period of months would cause change that is just my opinion, but that is more valid than your opinion because I have a greater understanding and more experience than you.

Since I'm 43yo, I fapped for almost 30 years, which is probably more than what you did.
The thing is that science is going against your statements. There's not even a single study that can demonstrate that semen retention is working or giving you the so-called "superpowers" (better aura, women attraction, life force and other fakes... these doesn't even require science, just looking at the reality is enough, with million of fappers without healthy problems, and covered with women around them). The 1000s people you take as a references are the ones collected in these kind of forums, which is a massively influenced audience. It's like going to all the churchs out there asking pilgrims if they think god really exists or not. You would probably get a 90% (if not more) people answering you that god really exist, that they even saw their prayers comes true, that they saw god in their dreams or they had some visions and so on... which doesn't mean or prove in any way that god really exists.

 

[Abstain_And_Gain]

I'm genuinely curious about SR. I do think that retaining for a sort while like 1 maybe 2 months will give you more drive and energy. But beyond that time frame I'm not so sure if its beneficial. If releasing semen is detrimental in the long run then why does the body have nocturnal emissions? If holding it in and retaining is the way forward why does the body release it on its own accord?

 

[Keepitsimple1989]

Since I'm 43yo, I fapped for almost 30 years, which is probably more than what you did.
The thing is that science is going against your statements. There's not even a single study that can demonstrate that semen retention is working or giving you the so-called "superpowers" (better aura, women attraction, life force and other fakes... these doesn't even require science, just looking at the reality is enough, with million of fappers without healthy problems, and covered with women around them). The 1000s people you take as a references are the ones collected in these kind of forums, which is a massively influenced audience. It's like going to all the churchs out there asking pilgrims if they think god really exists or not. You would probably get a 90% (if not more) people answering you that god really exist, that they even saw their prayers comes true, that they saw god in their dreams or they had some visions and so on... which doesn't mean or prove in any way that god really exists.

It’s like talking to a brick wall.

You should have seen the advice he gave on women. Blokes lost in his own thoughts of reality really is

 

[Sleeperhead]

You really need to stop with this self narcissism about yourself by always claiming “you have a greater understanding and more experience”, bud you are 29 years old acting like you are the father of times.

Your explanation is as empty as any medical studies performed on your claims, they don’t exist.

You keep referring back to this forum that there are 1000’s of accounts baking what you claim, yet there are billions of people backing my claim and @kenshin81

You are the minority on all of this, including your 1000’s of peoples testimony’s in this forum when we have billions of people outside this forum who claim the opposite.

Get off your high horse and stop trying to speak to everyone as if you are the light to the end of this tunnel and have all the answers to everyone’s questions/problem.

Your claims are laughable, no real proof, and are as you are, a joke.

I think you'd struggle to find 100 accounts let alone billions lol. At this point you are just ranting and not making a comprehensive argument.

You claim something that negatively impacts guys so I have to be forceful when I say that you have no understanding. And you did originally quote me and told me I had misunderstood something, but hey ho.

 

[Sleeperhead]

Since I'm 43yo, I fapped for almost 30 years, which is probably more than what you did.
The thing is that science is going against your statements. There's not even a single study that can demonstrate that semen retention is working or giving you the so-called "superpowers" (better aura, women attraction, life force and other fakes... these doesn't even require science, just looking at the reality is enough, with million of fappers without healthy problems, and covered with women around them). The 1000s people you take as a references are the ones collected in these kind of forums, which is a massively influenced audience. It's like going to all the churchs out there asking pilgrims if they think god really exists or not. You would probably get a 90% (if not more) people answering you that god really exist, that they even saw their prayers comes true, that they saw god in their dreams or they had some visions and so on... which doesn't mean or prove in any way that god really exists.

If we are looking at objective measured science, no but it is impossible to measure these things.

Let's just say hypothetically that female attraction does increase on SR, how would you be able to measure and prove that scientifically. You can't it's impossible. So you saying that I have no proof is not a valid argument to dismiss SR.

Who cares if a guy masturbates and is healthy? That isn't the claim here. We are talking about quality of life. And generally I hear a lot about incel guys and this and that. Again I will point to these forums and guys quality of life improving after abstinence.

Influenced how and in what regard? Are you just saying the first thing that comes into your head?