Day 76 - Jedi Master 6 @Red_John Oh I see, it is P-sub in your case. Even then, how is it even P? It is just a photo of her not P. She is not even in a sexy outfit and even if she was half almost half nake it is not P. As long as it is not nudes. That is not even classified as P from what you described even if they were wearing something sexy like a bikini. That's not P. Some would consider small things like short shorts or something is P not P-subs. Sometimes I want to say screw Hard Mode. Semen Retention/Nofap streak no can say anything to me on that matter. Even if I would slip at times on P-subs/P then I would be still on my streak regardless. Yeah, I will leave it at that. I will keep rambling about this. Fighting like Anakin Skywalker and as Jedi Master. Fight the dark side Keep Training
Day 106! It's not P, if people say Psubs are P, they are tripping... But doesn't matter that P subs are not technically P—our brains see them as P, in a sense that they sexually arouse us the same way as soft-core P would. The brain doesn't care about dictionary definition of things, it will still have similar effect as P. And usually Psubs tend to be triggers that escalate to full blown P use, so it's good idea to avoid them for that reason alone. To give an analogy: if watching P is like O'ing then Psubs is like edging, in my opinion—you are close to the P, but not technically there yet. Personally I have forbidden myself from Psubs. But I have also slipped on them a while ago. But I only reset the streak in some challenges where the OP made rules that forbid Psubs. But I did not reset my whole PMO streak because of that, because it's not technically porn. Different people will want to set different rules for themselves, some more strict and some more loose. I don't focus on that, they can do whatever they want, I focus on my reboot.
Hello brothers, how's it going? I didn't want to get back on the forums until I was on a sufficient streak. I didn't feel good about posting while relapsing every couple of days. I'm on day 8 right now and seeing how it goes. One thing that got me off of Pmo for now was a girl, or girls. I'm not dating either of them, but one of them asked me to come to her house last night and her boyfriend wasn't there. Very suspicious. Nothing happened between us, but she's comfortable with dancing, fighting and hugging me. Asking me to see her alone at her house when she's alone makes me wonder. And she said she felt guilty about not being with her boyfriend, who kept calling her all night and she didn't answer the phone. She said she didn't want him to know that I was with her. It really sounds obvious what's going on, but I don't know if she understands what she's doing, or is if it's just that she's acting on feelings and not thinking about it. And there's this other girl from my class who might be into me. I was thinking of asking her out. It's hard to tell if she likes me because she's really shy.
I would like to join this group....I'm already a week into a streak so I guess this makes me a Padowan?
The picture of the person wouldn't be porn, but because of how often I masturbated to her, my brain associates it with all the actions of porn and masturbating. I can't look at pictures of her (even though they're not pornographic), without becoming very aroused. That's why I don't look at pictures of her. P-subs aren't porn, but how you treat them can make the brain react in a manner that is close to watching porn. It doesn't matter whether they're dressed in a bin bag, or if they're in a skimpy bikini. It's down to how the brain reacts to it. This particular person is a trigger for me, even though she's non-nude, and just a normal TV presenter. I can look at celebrities I used to jerk off to, and be fine (in news articles - I don't go actively looking for them). I don't become aroused, so that's all good. I can see women with hardly any clothes on in music videos, or on shows like Love Island (reality show in UK), and not become aroused one bit, or even think a second beyond it, but then see that TV presenter, and I can feel my body becoming aroused and stimulated. I think this post explains it best. https://forum.nofap.com/index.php?threads/p-subs-definition-and-thoughts.274364/ What about if you watch T.V. and a commercial comes on and it shows a woman in a bikini and you get a boner. You watch the entire 30-second commercial and your brain lights up like a Christmas tree. Was that a relapse? Probably not but it would have been better to mute the commercial and walk away. That's what people need to decide with P-Subs. It's not porn (I'll say again, it's not porn), and it's not a relapse, but ask whether they're causing your brain to light up, and other bodily systems to react.
Days 2-3 Feeling good so far. Great to have so many long term lustbusters in here to be inspire by. Right now working on emptying my brain of all the pron that I've accumulated over years of addiction. Little by little I'll finally get rid of it all haha
Day 77 - Jedi Master 7 Time to get a new ship @Red_John Thanks for sharing your thoughts and the post. Insightful. You know it also feels the same way if you know some woman in real life and you start fantasizing about them sexually. It doesn't feel the same anymore when you start doing that. That is bizarre to think about. Yeah, that sucks that you have to associate that with a certain actress. I guess it is P-sub in your case. What was said on the post, I believe there are some that will classify some of it as a reset/relapse if you intentionally go to a model's account almost half nake (Still not nude) then say it P already. Technically it is not but you know some people will be tripping with that and say it is P I guess what Ūruz said. Probably from their perspective. As you said, your brain associates it with. Ugh. That's it. I would say my jury duty is not completely resolved but I was given another chance to reschedule which is good. Just I have to suck it up and do it whether or not I get selected or not. Then it is complete. That's it. Damn Ūruz I didn't know you talk like that. Ya digg. That's what's up homie lol. Ok, I'll share this. Annd I want a good pump for my muscles at the gym sooner or later. Technically tomorrow I will. Rest day today. Train like a mad man because of people's ideology on here. Cool. People. Well I have to be a passive aggressive Jedi because everyone around will be intimidated by me... Yes, this Jedi likes to train too at the gym as often as he can despite of this Pandemic situation Fight the dark side Keep Training
Day 9. One thing that I always underestimate when doing nofap is how much clearer my thinking is, and that I can just go on reverie's in my head for hours thinking in a positivistic way and boosting myself up. Relapsing day after day on the other hand it's like my mind has no momentum. There's no energy or catalyst to spark off intellectual adventures in my head, and to theorize how I might solve my problems. Relapsing day after day I'm essentially just being sustained by food and sleep, and that I'm just acting like a marionette on strings doing automatic habits with no forward moving intention. The sex drive of men is life creative for us in that it sustains us and propels us to go out into the world and to be a force of nature. Wasting that energy on habitual pmo, being addicted to pmo, then you can't be addicted to living life. You're barred off from living life because your soul is now contained up in this life sucking habitual practice. I think I'm feeling the benefit of the guys who say that being on nofap for long enough women start to be interested in them. Well it's hard to tell for myself because I don't have experience with women, but I can say that I'm getting much more positive reactions from women with what I say and do. It seems like they're genuinely interested in me. If you can get a girl to laugh at something you've said I think you're making progress. I believe that you can take the way that women act towards you as a way of how to better improve yourself, as a kind of metric how to improve your life. If women give you no attention or negative attention, well it's pretty likely that you're not in a good place in your life. Maybe you're not taking care of yourself, or you think very negatively of yourself and you express that. If you're getting positive attention from them then you're doing something right, you're doing something good for yourself.
@Red_John Making this a separate post. Can you M/MO on Hard Mode and keep your streak? Will it count as reset/relapse on Hard Mode (No PMO) Challenges?? I know, it sounds odd. I have my own answer but I will say it after. Anyone here can answer if you want to as well.
My assumption was that hardmode was avoiding all 3 pmo, and having a hard work ethic in your life so that you're not focused on pmo.
No. Hard Mode is how @Dovahkin101 described it. Hardmode is basically giving up all sexual activity (although sex with a partner is considered okay, unless it exacerbates symptoms). Masturbating and intentionally orgasming will be considered a relapse. If someone drops porn, but masturbates, it's sometimes considered 'soft' or 'softer' mode. That's what Hard Mode is to me.
The NoFap's official definition of Hard Mode (page 15)–https://www.nofap.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Getting-Started-with-NoFap.pdf
So if you didn't watch P but M/MO it is not reset/relapse then? For example, if I say during a Hard Mode Challenge "Hey guys, I didn't watch P but I decided M/MO'd because of high urges or whatever the reason. Is it a reset/relapse or keep your streak? Most Hard Mode allows sex. Especially with sex with O. Well yes but for I'm not allowing myself for that during reboot. If it is not reset/relapse then this is ridiculous. Here is the Jedi Temple P-subs are allowed. But if you look at P-subs it is "reset" for other Hard Mode challenges. Ugh. Don't get me started with M/MO by itself because I will start rambling/ranting lol.
No P but you M/MO, that's a relapse. To be honest, P-Subs are almost second tier for me. Eventually, you should stop looking at them, but the primary concern right now is porn. I don't know what other challenges say about P-Subs. In mine, it doesn't matter if you use p-subs.
