the sexual transmutation-trick that made NoFap effortless for me!

Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by KaelDenna, Apr 13, 2019.

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  1. Grey is colourless

    Grey is colourless Fapstronaut

    Your spirit should be developed to do that. Otherwise with none, you disengage from body what is left? A noninnanimate object..In fact, its not disengaging but aligning to a higher ... to YOU. It just then is no longer the primal focus and will continue its things ratherstronger now with support from spirit.
  2. Grey is colourless

    Grey is colourless Fapstronaut

    I agree on the gist of the talk. It's putting light on previous shadows. Which is great. A main difference between kids and real grown ups is having some light about things in your life, what youstand for, why you do x, How you do x.

    But I disagree on the choice of words. This isnt yin and yang. And yang being action itself and sexuality is a modern misconception. Females need more sex than males do anyway. A mythos gnome or dwarfe would beat you up senseless if you insult it. And they are both Earth element, a super yin element.

    The sexes quickly turn toxic when downgrading the other. Such as thinking of women to be passie or asexual.

    Point is yinyang are two extremes. Devoid them of any action and theyre no longer yinyang but something else you just made up.

    Also both the mind and the body are yinyang. Now you got at least 4 sides to play with.

    Just realise what subconscious thing is driving you in the moment and bring it to light. Don't have to apply any labels. As it can be anything, the smallest of things.
  3. Very interesting.

    Ive been thinking abou what I really feel as well. Ive realized I dont want to fap. But I want something. I dont even want to bang random woman. I think I want to direct that energy inside me to a woman, but not necesarrily only in that banging format.

    Will need to think more
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  4. Lirudu

    Lirudu Fapstronaut

    This is an interesting thread and is really supportive to inquire in the true nature of an urge or desire, and what makes us re-act on it loosing the opportunity of understanding our essential nature and workings...
    Very interesting as well to inquiry into how it felt before we discovered fapping - the purity of lovely feelings...

    Did you truly discover masculinity or did you discover part of your essence, called essential strength? [coloured red]
    Did you truly discover the desire for dominance or did you discover another part of essence, called essential power? [coloured black]
    And more...

    Here are some instructions I learned from the Diamond Approach to inquire into our present experience:
    - stay patiently present - without reacting (no repression, no acting out, no witnessing dissociative state)
    - localise it in your body (you might use your breath) and feel the sensations
    - tolerate it by staying in touch with your arms and legs and the ground and ask yourself 'can I tolerate this?'
    - become aware and let go of the object, the thoughts about it, the story
    - go to the essence of it by feeling the energy in the center
    - trust the natural movement or unfolding (notice your superego, self-images and other ways of resistance)
    - check your relationship to what you feel
    - add space around it and feel the natural expansive quality
    - let what you feel touch your heart, notice the stillness and effortless of it, notice how it feels and let it work

    You can ask yourself:
    - does what I feel require an effort or is it rising up effortlessly by itself?
    - is it exaggerated or adapted and balanced in itself?
    - does it feel contracted or naturally expansive?
    - is it a kind of emotion or is it a quality of being?
    - is it a kind of defense as a need to impress or suppress vs. a spontaneous selfulfilled state?

    That's the difference between ego fake qualities and essential qualities and it is very different and new than our usual experience. It is essential to both men and women. Essential qualities do not alienate from the world but make us truly act from our core in a balanced and adapted way... but they get lost in youth by not being recognised, seen correctly or judged wrong. And because they get lost we all feel deficient in some way... and try to fill the gap with the fake quality and all kinds of reactivity. But by feeling the hole at the center of the fake quality or the center of desire, and letting us fall into it, the true quality can rise up and fulfill us... It requires training though because most of us ar just living the life from the egostate of deficiency all the time.

    My experience with sexual energy is that I find it hard to just feel that force and stay with it, feel myself powerful, feel myself alive, feel myself valuable, attractive... all that is good, is pure spirituality.
    I once read that highly spiritual developed people are full of sexual energy - well of course - that's pure life!
    The difference is just they have let go off all repression and replaced it by conscious capacity and channeled it into their activities and work...
    Last edited: May 8, 2019
  5. oromis

    oromis Fapstronaut


    I find this to be really amazing. However a lot of it is quite cryptic. Can you perhaps go into more detail or perhaps create a new thread about it?
  6. Lirudu

    Lirudu Fapstronaut

    Thanks for your asking, but yes, there's a lot to say about it... It's based on somatic meditation and the spiritual path of Diamond Approach/Diamond Logos which is really a very very interesting, integrating and experiental path of truth. I'd like to discuss and exchange about that in a new thread, but maybe you could start with a question or theme or something?
  7. recon117

    recon117 Fapstronaut

    Very interesting and inspiring!
    Thank you for sharing it with us!
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    For real same
  9. bikinhappy

    bikinhappy Fapstronaut

    new perspective... I'm not horny... I'm just being masculine...
    thank you thank you thank you :)
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  10. Souvent08

    Souvent08 Fapstronaut

    It’s such a great way to look at it. Lately I’ve been getting major urges and what you mentioned helps seen those urges differently. I will think about being masculine and wanting a woman.
  11. Pedro.lives

    Pedro.lives Fapstronaut

    @Saiyan123 You need to read this bro. I’m gonna really take this into perspective..
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  12. forexan

    forexan New Fapstronaut

    Sometimes you need things explained to you in a certain West and this was it .
  13. Alaskamoose

    Alaskamoose Fapstronaut

    You can do it bro !:) I’m at day69; the hardest part was the first month; cold showers definitely help a lot! Keep up the good fight! :)
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  14. Iwillmakeit123

    Iwillmakeit123 Fapstronaut

    My life is changed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  15. Saiyan123

    Saiyan123 Fapstronaut

    awesome, really appreciate the tag in this because it's so true.
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  16. Pedro.lives

    Pedro.lives Fapstronaut

    It actually got me off my ass the other day and into motion.
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  17. quitter1906

    quitter1906 Fapstronaut

    I really like what you guys are saying in this thread... I'm gonna check out the Diamond Path...
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  18. Robinthehood

    Robinthehood Fapstronaut

    Wow very insightful. It really sounds right to me, I'm three weeks into no pmo and the images etc of porn that used to flash into my mind no longer appear. Instead I just have a super strong desire for the female, physical, spiritual, that source of love. I want to hold her and feel the embrace, to feel like a man and to feel her against me.

    Here's to being a man and actually feeling like a man
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  19. Empty Red Cloud

    Empty Red Cloud Fapstronaut

    This is deeper than most fapstos can even imagine. I think you have made a amazing discovery. Right on! Write On! Good post brother. Very deep and I believe you are 100% right.
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  20. Black ∆ Fang

    Black ∆ Fang Fapstronaut

    Brilliantly written brother!

    I was totally clueless about this thing. It's not something I notice sometimes but daily. What is this feeling? What kind of urge is this? I don't want to masturbate but want to be with a person whom can I connect with. To feel intimate with someone. Competely different from the urge to fap.

    You gave me a new perspective. Thanks a ton! !

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