The Truth About Masturbation

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by IFartedWithMyChef, Sep 23, 2019.

  1. DenverGuy

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    Yea, I approach PMO from a perspective of faith, which gives me a lot of motivation to quit. However, if you don't have a faith belief, then your post still provides the best reason to quit - for yourself. This shit damages you and makes you less of a man.
     
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  2. goodnice 2.0

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    dudeee your parents made such a good decision. Im glad you weren't damaged by pmo during your puberty. You are lucky my friend. I wish my parents had never given me an iPhone. I wish I had never freaking masturbated and ruined my whole life and puberty
     
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  3. goodnice 2.0

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    Hey bro thank you for sharing this. I made the mistake of Ming once after 8 months, and now I have pmoed 5 times in last week. I feel you. Life was a living hell and it would become unbearable, so I had to quit. And I was still 18,19. I can't imagine continuing to do this after age 25. But the good news is that the body has tremendous healing ability. Others have struggled just like you, and they made it till old age. If you keep on the road to purity, you will have a longer, healthier life ahead of you, I can assure you.

    Good luck dude. Its not over for you. 36 considered young nowadays. I believe in you
     
  4. ultrafabber

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    There is no such thing as healthy masturbation. All masturbation is unhealthy.
     
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  5. Alex1111

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    It's not the end of the world man, you're on the right path on your recovery. That's why we're here, you will heal completely I believe in you. :)
     
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  6. Ronila

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    Masturbating 2-5 a day is why you have the problem, not because of masturbation itself.
    Curve in penis is pretty common, masturbation is not the cause here ether.
    Our bodies are not perfectly symmetrical and penis is made of two "inflatable" section
    Curve is caused by more tissue on the side opposite to the curve which when it "inflates" with blood ends up being longer than the other, and that forms the curve.
    Medical procedure exists that can fix this, by simply removing small amount of tissue from the longer side, this corrects the force it applies during erection and penis becomes straight.
    You should consider this procedure.

    You abused masturbation extensively and probably had many other problems which you did not bring up or are unaware of, that affected your sexuality heavily.
    This is not a good reason to say masturbation is going to destroy everyone - stay at 50 mile range, and we do not need to look further than statistical data to prove that is wrong, vast majority of men masturbate and vast majority of men have normal sexual response with a partner.
    But they do not masturbate 25 times per week, they do it 1-2 times a week.
    Instead of saying - do not abuse masturbation, you say masturbation is bad, what do you think 18 year old teenager should do in the absence of sexual partner, who is by nature hypersexaul and thinks of mostly sex throughout the day - sit down and mediate?
    People masturbate in the absence of other sexual options - that is normal. When people masturbate instead of normal sexual activities - that is a big problem, that is bad, that is what causes damage.
     
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  7. SaturnsSun

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    This is why I’m afraid to M. I’m afraid I’ll go on a PMO binge. Then when I finally come to my senses I’ll have to start rebooting all over again and end up in a cycle of resets or relapses and constant never ending withdrawal.

    Like they say “old habits are hard to break”. M may always be a trigger for me.
     
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  8. Ronila

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    That is not true
    I can say this with confidence, because I understand how biological systems manage behavior.
    Our bodies have mechanisms for blocking unhealthy behaviors, and any behavior that makes an individual unhealthy also makes him less likely to reproduce and would be strongly selected against.
    If something is unhealthy, doing so reduces chances of success and individuals that do not exhibit this behavior would be naturally selected.

    We have great examples of unhealthy behaviors and how we are protected against them, just think of jumping off a cliff or drinking your urine, those are pretty unhealthy, and you do not need to be explained they are bad for you, your body has a mechanism to stop you.
    Masturbation can not be questioned on level of biology, body forces the individual to satisfy a need, and if it can not be satisfied by means of sex individual has a ways to do so.
    Masturbation actually only questioned on social and moral level, mainly because it is seen as selfish, enjoying pleasure on your own, in a sense this person does not engage in reproduction so he not trying to bring more people in to the world.
    Basically the reason we see masturbation as bad, is that masturbation is opportunity lost for making a baby, looking for partner or forming a relationship.

    I will leave you with this question - Monkeys masturbate, allot actually, so do you think it is unhealthy for them?
     
  9. SaturnsSun

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    @Ronila Ultrafabber claims to be a straight person with homosexual hands bc he can’t stop touching his peen. He’d probably say that the monkeys are gay or they wouldn’t be touching themselves. He should take his hands to a gay pride parade so they can finally be free to be themselves.
     
  10. Ronila

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    My goal is to point out unreasonable beliefs that can be damaging to people that are already struggling, people that come here for some relief and guidance.
    They are fed so much crap, told to do things that are outright impossible for them to do and sent on their way to failure.
    It bothers me, far more than personal sexual preferences of individuals that post this "crap".

    As time goes by I see that this is never ending process, and I am about done.
     
  11. Optimum Fortitude

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    Man u sure about the straight dick? Because foe me it really looks like it has an hourglass shape, exactly the same shape as my right hand's palm when I close my fist if you see what I mean.

    I probably damaged the tissues you are talking about over the years by exercing more pressure on one side than the other.
     
  12. ultrafabber

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    I'll have to make a topic about this because i am tired of writing the same response over and over again.

    Some monkey species masturbate. Other monkey species do NOT masturbate, ever. Monkey masturbation happens in multi-male multi-female systems (promiscuous) and humans are not in multi-male multi-female systems, humans are monogamous or polygamous. More so, in the species where masturbation happens, the males that are LOWER in social hierarchy masturbate more and mate less.

    Overall, the overwhelming majority of animals do not masturbate at all. Insects do not masturbate either.

    Masturbation behavior in nature is extremely, extremely, extremely rare. This is a fact.


    Your other point you made that "our bodies protect us from unhealthy behavior" is absurd as people are known to engage in very unhealthy behavior and even escalate it, with suicide being the most extreme unhealthy behavior. By your logic suicide should not exist and porn addiction should not exist either, since "our bodies protect us from unhealthy behavior".
     
  13. Ronila

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    Just talk to an MD in Surgical Urology, please...
     
  14. TheForsakeen

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    Its not about the size of the dog.
    Also curved penis is normal.
     
  15. Ronila

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    Repeating same thing over and over does not make it true.

    In nature masturbation happens when individual does not have a partner to mate with, naturally individuals with lower status by definition have reduces access to females.
    Status is a reflection of individuals self esteem, so low self esteem individuals, do not get mating opportunities and use masturbation more.

    It is not masturbation that causes low self esteem, it is low self esteem and social status that causes masturbation.
    Naturally this means that individuals with disabilities, mental problems and physical abnormalities among other things end up with low status, which facilitates the behavior.

    It is irrational to conclude that masturbation on its own causes individuals to end up at low social status. It can be seen as a sign of low status but it is a symptom of such and not the cause.
     
  16. Ronila

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    It is normal but if it cases emotional pain and prevents enjoyable sex - it makes sense to resolve.
     
  17. ultrafabber

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    It is irrelevant how many times i say it or you do.

    Again, your premise and what you and many others hint at is that masturbation is a common behavior in nature. It is not. It is extremely uncommon, it sometimes happens in promiscuous monkeys.

    It is also irrelevant that masturbation causes low self esteem or is caused by low self esteem. It is a chicken and the egg problem. What is relevant and obvious is that masturbation correlates to unwanted status - low social hierarchy and less mating. It is, obviously, an undesirable and most importantly an unhealthy behavior.
     
  18. Ronila

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    I do not make masturbation into hypothetical idea, I see it as behavior that vast majority of human population has always done and still does - that's billions of people.
    That is not a premise, that is a fact. You argue that what we as humans have been doing throughout our evolutionary history is wrong and unhealthy, While tiny minority of people that supposedly do not do it are somehow more healthy.
    We have huge population of people, that masturbates and is in good physical and emotional health.

    Making any claims about unhealthiness of something needs research and facts supported by large populations and those are unavailable.

    Negative effects of of pornography use has supporting evidence and is problematic behavior, as it changes sexual behavior of the individual often leading to abuse of sexuality.
     
  19. ultrafabber

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    There is no fact. There is no proof that masturbation has been a common behavior in humans. To the contrary, most cultures, regardless of religion and even atheist ones like chinese strongly opposed masturbation and considered it unhealthy, so it is safe to say masturbation, until very recently, has not been common at all in humans.

    More so, in the current days, masturbation is much more common in the west than it is in other cultures/countries.

    So masturbation is not a behavior that is "normal", else we would see it normally distributed across cultures and time.
     
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  20. isaacgull

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    Wow that's crazy. Thank you for sharing your experience. I feel awakened lately. I've realized that if I one day want a family, I need to quit this now.
     
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