The Valley Orgasm, Why Tantra Surpasses Yoga

Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by Inversion, May 2, 2019.

  1. Inversion

    Inversion New Fapstronaut

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    Hi everyone.

    After being on nofap for a year, I have drawn some critical conclusions that I believe all people on this path should be aware of.

    In fact, after practicing this for so long I noticed some inherent issues with certain aspects of nofap.

    The biggest one is "monk mode," or complete sexual abstinence / retention - not even thinking about it.

    Let me explain myself using tantra. An ancient spiritual practice used to literally "weave" universal (sex) energy through the practitioner. Perhaps we can call it a "weave mode."

    To simplify let's say that:
    Monk mode = yoga
    Weave mode = tantra

    Tantra is better understood as the state of let go, of non-fight. That whatsoever a human being feels he/she must do or think about, to not resist against it. The mystic seer Osho (Rajneesh) explained tantra much more in depth and has imparted useful wisdom throughout his life time.

    One quote said by him: "Don't seek, don't search, don't ask, don't knock, don't demand - relax. If you relax, it comes. If you relax it is there. If you relax you start vibrating with it."

    Tantra itself is known as the science of sexuality. It does not condemn sexual urges.
    On the contrast it supports them.

    Now as some of you may know, the human body is composed of 7 chakras or energy centers. Our sexual energy/life force normally should flow effortlessly through these centers. Almost like a stream going through 7 pools of water. At this point a person is considered "enlightened" or spiritually aware of his or her divine/soul-self.

    But many people of course have blocked chakra entries. Which is not something to be ashamed of. The whole reason we came to Earth is to experience cleaning ourselves and feeling enlightenment anyways.

    So after understanding chakras, you can imagine sexual energy as the water that flows through these pools. With less of this energy/water, it is harder to keep the pools running freely and cleanly.

    So one would think that completely abstaining from masturbation is spiritually healthy right? You keep building more energy, the chakras get more clean, you will realize enlightenment more easily (you already are, by the way), right?
    Well yes... and no...… there is a catch.

    Now this is where nofap, yoga, and tantra all tie in together.

    Yoga is the practice of orienting one's body in certain positions. The purpose is not for simply stretching. These positions help trap the sexual energy in the body, and when moving back into a normal pose the flow rockets through the chakras, helping to clean the energy pools better.

    Here's the catch. If too much energy flows at once it can be harmful. Think about it, you have a pool of water and then an enormous surge enters through it. Do you think that earth in that puddle will be unscathed afterwards? It will get damaged, either physically or mentally.

    And this is what I have literally felt on nofap "monk mode." I started practicing yoga for a long time, and began feeling this energy build up, but it was too much sometimes that I would drop to the floor in pain, and it would even be difficult to look at other women, let alone to say hi to them. Yoga is after all about being an extreme warrior.

    Tantra is not about being a warrior. It's actually quite the opposite. And one does not build the sexual energy. He/she WEAVES it through themselves. If you weave this power carefully, it won't hurt as much because the flow is more gentle, more gradual.
    And when I started practicing tantra instead of yoga, I realized something unbelievable. I stopped having pain, I started speaking with other women, and my sexual urges were not uncontrollable.

    This is where valley orgasm ties in.

    Osho said there are 2 types of orgasms: peak and valley.
    It helps to visualize them based on the words. Peaks are very high up from the earth, and valleys are very low on the earth. Valleys and peaks always follow one another.

    Masturbating to sexually explicit websites, or plain old "forceful (non let go)" masturbation provides a peak orgasm. You reach a high point of bliss. And then there is a SHARP drop of power to the bottom. Some say it is dopamine levels, but the spiritual life force also drops. This is why depression and all other issues like sexual dysfunction results.

    How does the valley orgasm differ? The same way one can only fall from a peak, you can only rise from a valley. This means that a person who has a valley orgasm, will have a rise in spiritual power / sexual energy. It seems paradoxical, but it is a phenomenon that many are able to admit to. Including myself. And when this valley orgasm occurs, the sexual energy weaves through your chakras very gently, and you may notice you will start imagining the wildest sexual fantasies, which are healthy.

    Nofap will help you reach this valley orgasm. Why is this so?
    Because you stop forcing your orgasms. Forceful masturbation is not a state of let go. It is a state of resistance. Which pushes the soul apart like it's going against a river.

    After a certain amount of days being abstinent you will start having strong sexual energy/urges. When you feel you must tend to them, uncontrollably, then tend to them. If it feels right, and you have an orgasm, don't be ashamed. If ejaculation occurs it is perfectly fine. In fact it is superb! Because you have altogether had a different type of orgasm.
    It is a valley orgasm. And at this point you can only ejaculate what you really don't need inside (excess / explosive energy)

    The moment you realize you can have healthy orgasms without porn / willful masturbation is, in my opinion, when you have succeeded. You don't need the websites or magazines anymore.
    Why use them? You can have an orgasm that feels way better, and it raises your spirit through the valley, it cleans your chakras gently, doesn't make you sexually desperate, and it keeps raising your positive life force.

    What happens if energy keeps rising from the valley?
    It becomes easier to clean chakras overtime
    What happens when you clean them more easily?
    You get closer to enlightenment
    What happens when you realize enlightenment? You have healed yourself and a part of this planet/humanity.

    So don't masturbate forcefully to websites. We can't even call that yoga.

    What about Yoga? Well, don't go on monk mode and resist urges / sexual energy weaving, completely. Yoga is better than porn, but still is problematic. Explosive energy is not healthy for the body and mind. It can create anger and pain and suffering. Although the stretching is beneficial.

    What about tantra? It's perfect. You gently weave the sexual life force through your body when it feels "right." You clean your chakras. You have valley orgasms that are not harmful in anyway, but rather work in the opposite direction (going up and up). You don't even get ED, rather your body, mind, and spirit get healthier overtime.

    So I've noticed many nofappers have gotten to the yoga phase. Myself included at one point. Which is great. But if they took it a step further to the tantra phase, sexual healing would speed up at an exponential rate.

    To conclude. The most important thing I want to say is that you don't need to agree with this. A good rule of thumb for spirituality is to only agree with something that feels right with yourself (but then you would be doing tantra anyways, right? *wink*)

    Have a great day people!
     
    Last edited: May 31, 2019
  2. RyanRVA

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    I like your post, it seems like you have really done the work.

    One thing about yoga though. If you practice proper breathing, you can actually make yoga into a tantric practice. The idea is to stay in the range where you can breathe smoothly and easily, like the waves of the ocean. There should never be fight or flight, this will create a great deal of confusion in the body as you seem to understand.

    I completely agree with you about shifting into tantra. What is the point if not to be able to really truly enjoy our sexuality? This isn't about avoiding sexuality, it's about embracing higher possibilities of sensuality, connection and access to orgasmic energies and experiences.
     
  3. bikinhappy

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    Hi, thank you for the insightful post :)
    How do you learn and practice tantra?
    Could you please suggest some resources?

    Many thanks!
     
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  4. Inversion

    Inversion New Fapstronaut

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    Start reading The Book Of Secrets by Osho. He discusses many techniques on obtaining enlightenment. Some chapters specifically address sexuality and is related to nofap. His entire philosophy is based on Tantra.
     
  5. bikinhappy

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    Thanks brother!
     
  6. Steffo Shambo

    Steffo Shambo Fapstronaut

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    These books on Tantra here will totally change your life. Start there!
     
  7. bikinhappy

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    This is pure gold, thank you for pointing the way!!! God bless you brotherrrr :)
     
  8. Steffo Shambo

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    Yes, most def! A friendly warning though, if you read any one of those books, you will never be the same again ;)
     
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  9. Interesting post, thanks for taking time to write that. I found a book on tantra from the perspective of transmutation recently, this was a good motivator to begin reading it.
     
  10. Cheffe Effe

    Cheffe Effe Fapstronaut

    Interesting post, but this quote I do not understand. What do you mean with "tend to these urges"? Do you mean masturbation? And if yes, what is the difference between a forceful masturbation and a masturbation after 10 or 13 days of noPMO?
     
  11. Inversion

    Inversion New Fapstronaut

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    The difference is the correct one will be uncontrollable. Almost like a fire burning through you. Follow the rhythm if it feels right. One day the cosmic orgasm will occur (the day depends on the person)

    The most important thing is not to try or force it. It helps to imagine that an “inner orgasm” is occurring.

    Don’t worry too much about how to do it. Your intuition will guide you. Similar to breathing you can force your breath or you can let your body take care of it. This is a very similar concept.
     
  12. Bob282

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    I'm struggling to understand what you mean here and make it tangible, it is very nebulous. Seems like an excuse to give in to a particularly strong urge? I am sure this is due to my naiivity but it would be helpful to explain more because I don't want to ruin a long streak just because I really thought it was a fire and I felt like it was flowing through me...!
     
  13. Cheffe Effe

    Cheffe Effe Fapstronaut

    Thanks for the explanation Inversion but still I do not see such a big difference to "normal" M without P. I am afraid to trust my intuition here.
     
  14. Inversion

    Inversion New Fapstronaut

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    I recommend to read more about Tantra and spiritual sex. If you don’t believe me here, research it for yourself. And you’ll be surprised how powerful the interaction between male and female energies can be.

    Another thing.

    When a person masterbates forcefully there is a line going down from the peak.

    During standard sex there is a triangle. 2 persons meet for a brief moment, there’s a peak, but the energy still burns up.

    In tantric sex a circle is created. It keeps cycling and perpetuating in energy.

    The strange phenomenon about the circle is that you don’t need a partner to create it.

    If you are a man, you can create the circle with the universe and suddenly it will be a female.

    Or if you are a female the universe will become a male.

    This is how the cosmic orgasm will actually heal the body overtime. When you tend to the urge when it feels right.

    The key is “feels right”.
    If it doesn’t then don’t do it.
    But keep an open mind.
    One day you will understand when the time has come.

    My suggestion is stop counting days and trying to improve your streak. A car may drive slower if you keep looking at the speed limit.
     
    Last edited: May 31, 2019
  15. Cheffe Effe

    Cheffe Effe Fapstronaut

    OK, thank you. I will keep an open mind. But first I will continue with noPMO until 90 days and I will continue with the practice of the microcosmic orbit. Right now, I can create an energy cricle with this technique. But I feel also that some parts in my body are blocked and it is more difficult to guide the energy through these blocked parts.

    I can image that your proposal is also difficult to apply if you don't do other kind of work with your body and mind, like meditiation and yoga.
     
  16. interpaul

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    Inversion, Just came across your post just now. It sounds like you have found some important truths on your path. I came to nofap 1 1/2 years ago and quickly discovered semen retention to have benefits that shifted my focus from trying to avoid porn to trying to develop a deeper spiritual focus in my life. I found Mantak Chia's work thru this site and that set me off on a path of discovery with many disappointing dead ends. I explored the "inner fire" meditation (more of a tantric practice) which I ultimately realized was very similar to Chia's scrotal compression meditation technique. All of these energy practices were intense but I found they ended up focusing me more and more on intense pleasure experiences but I can't say that I am more enlightened, just finding more inner joy without the need to rely on external stimuli. I just searched out the book of secrets and see it is really long, over 1000 pages. I am willing to read but found the other tantra books I read very hard to penetrate as they have a lot of cultural baggage. Any advice on how to proceed without wasting a ton of time.
     
  17. bikinhappy

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    Hey Interpaul, I practiced AYP aypsite.org
    It's practical and I found it very suitable on my understanding about my self.
    One of member here pointed to me around a month ago.
    I can say that it contribute a lot to my PMO counter.

    Let me know if you need any help brother.
     
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  18. melonka

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    Hm... It's quite interesting. But I know tantra cause a friend of mine, women. She does it and goes to courses a lot and she has a big problem with her life which she can't understand. She is nice, attractive now over 35 and she wants to find true love for over 10 years. She likes spiritual growth and spiritual sex and she can't find relationship because she's trying to find it through tantric sex and we'll... She ends up as toy for a lot of men who leave her before relationship start.
     
  19. interpaul

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    Thanks. I will check out AYP.
     
  20. interpaul

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    I checked out the AYP site and am finding it interesting. I wondered if you could give me a little advice on how to use it as it is pretty vast. I am starting by reading the advanced yoga practice lessons. Do you recommend listening to the audio? When I clicked on the audio link it requires an account. I'm willing to join/pay if I know it is going to be helpful. I just want to use my time wisely and get a sense before I commit too much time/money if this is a path that has value for me. Thanks again for taking the time to share this resource.
     

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