This is 1 reason why I can't stand the german society & their relationships

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  1. Krillin1993

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    In a really famous newspaper here in germany, called "BILD" I found an article about breakups in germany, which is linked to money.
    I have translated the articel for you and the original article is attached below.

    Money is the reason for every tenth breakup
    Berlin- With money, not only friendship ends, but sometimes love too ...
    In every third relationship, dealing with money leads to conflicts at least occasionally, and every tenth person has split up because of this! This is shown by a survey by Verivox in cooperation with the online dating agency Paarship (3723 respondents).
    A quarter of respondents said they had often or sometimes argued with their partner about money. 43 percent of 40 to 49 year olds fought over the money - more than in any other age group. (if)
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    Bild Zeitung is the most selling newspaper here in germany
    Paarship is the most famous online Dating-Platform here in germany
    My comment: I already knew that so called love relationships are fake here in germany. You can clearly see (if you have lived in germany) that the majority of couples have fast sex, kissing each other so fast that you might think they knew each other after 10 years but in reality they are kissing after they met the 2nd or 3rd time and they get fast pregnant, cause alot of men dont use condoms or the woman dont want to use the pill and sometimes they trick their partners by saying they using them but they dont. And also those people ending up have a marriage after they know that the good paid men or good paid woman can self-enrich them with money.
    Love played never a big role here.
    They would choose the Money over Love.
    They would choose Lust especially Fast sex-relationship over Love.
    They would choose the Baby over Love.
    And if you have an illness as a man alot of woman would leave their partners, cause then those woman have no fun anymore.
    This is what I have heard alot of times here in germany. (of course this counts for both genders)
    I also read an article about german woman in the past-it's again not a lie.
    Every third german woman had sex with 7 men on average in her life!
    This is not any insult to german woman, this is the bitter truth for men who are searching for the big love in germany. For alot of german men it doesn't play a big role for meeting the soul mate, but for me it does play a big role.
    Where is my value if I end up being the 8th guy who is together with a german woman?
    It's never you. It's never your feelings. People lost empathy.
    People are chosing lust, money, raising a child over true love. And if you dont want a child then they also break up, cause these types of woman still don't reached what they want. You want love, friendship, understanding, but they tend to want something else, whats pleasing for them. It's always the same here.
    Thats why I am afraid of woman in general too.
    I hope the world of woman is not behave like that.
    How is it in your country? Is the situation similar or different?
    In love and peace.
    Krillin1993
     

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  2. AntiqueRevolverGuy

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    I think the personal priority of romance changes once your life becomes about convenience and not survival.
    I am not being negative towards technological progress, but you can see what people reach a certain peak of industrial growth and living conditions change from survivability to competitive convenience, romantic tastes completely change.
    Instead of choosing strength and will, it becomes about indulgence and power.
    Is it true that women most invested in the feminist's movement have had more sexual partners than the average woman? Not saying this as a critique, but because this articles example is about Germany and EU countries in general are very heavy in feminist culture. So much so that countries like the US or Japan are very sexist in comparison (Even though the US is also heavy on progressive values, and gave birth to them.)
     
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  3. she-dernatinus

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    It is sad that the whole western world has become so materialistic and disconnected from one another. And with the arrival of social media things only got worse. You're not wrong about all these implications about western women, but it's not only due to feminism as a movement for gender equality. Remember that the only group of feminists who control the west are liberal feminists, and even if the appearances give the opposite impression, those feminists are working hand-in-hand with the capitalist misogynistic elite. This time by rebranding lifestyles that are actually degrading as a form of liberation; like prostitution for example.

    But all those aspects of german society you mentioned are the result of capitalism and mindless boundary obliteration. People have lost so many pivotal anchors in their lives, family anchors, religious, moral...etc. Everything is permitted under the new doctrine of individual freedom, even the lowest acts.
     
  4. Krillin1993

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    This is soo true. Thats why alot of older german men between 40 and 70 starting to go to Thailand or to Philippines to choose a lifepartner who are not into materialism, superficial thoughts or your money. Those woman are mostly poor and they can handle it to live a satisfied life in much more worse life-circumstances.
    Oh man there are alot of feminists out here, they even decided years ago to bring woman's quota every labour market, through feminist agenda, so woman can feel more satisfied to be treated equaly. But thats completely bullcrap in my opinion. Woman earning the same amount of money like men, but they never choose hard work or they give up with working so hard,....thats a fact, which nobody can deny.
    But feminist not often have more sexual partner like other woman. Some met alot of asshole men and some have never had a date with a men. Not all feminists are the same. I would say that Non-Feminist woman had even more sex than Feminists, but thats only my opinion.
    There are so many rapists and sexist in germany too and they get released only after 3 years in jail.
     
  5. Krillin1993

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    I am not sure about this point but maybe germany needs prostitution in an oversexualized society.
    We need prostitutes to lower the number of rapists. The real pandemic of porn usage can't be stopped and we know the danger from it. But it is better that a woman works as a prostitute for pleasing those rapists rather than a 5 year old girl raped and her psyche is damaged... You know what I mean? I am also against supporting the work of a prostitute. But maybe western countries need them for not having a bigger pandemic of sexual rapists and murderer.
    What germany needs is a better education system. People should get an education how to treat other human beings. Germany has not only a problems with sex, sexual abuse, porn and masturbation it has only problems with alcohol and violence. This endless suffering has to end. I think believing in no religion is no problem at all since alot of japanese people dont believe in religion either but they know how to respect other people. Thats why western people need to grow in a more respectful society like japanese being educated since birth. Japan is different than germany.
     
  6. she-dernatinus

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    Yes this is perfectly liberal feminism at work. It is the same agenda that promoted the porn industry as a form of liberation for women, and advertised their lifestyle as empowering and glamourous. They did the same for every other aspect of the old patriarchal construct and turned every form of overtly oppressive societal phenomenon into a 'resistance' that should be embraced; again the example of prostitution.

    But there are other branches of feminism, marxist feminists, Radical feminists both oppose pornography and prostitution and are with odds with their liberal counterpart.
     
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  7. she-dernatinus

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    Prostitution is in and out of itself unethical. Because in this 'work', sex is a mean and the commodity is the woman's body. Regardless of liberal women's weak attempt to reclaim an industry that was never theirs in the first place and will never be.
    The myth that prostitution reduces rape has been used to justify buyers' lack of consideration for women's humanity. But some alarming observations done by researchers pointed out the correlation between being a 'john' and the possibility of committing rape.
    A society that allows such a disgraceful phenomenon as this, that dehumanizes the person doing it and reduces it to nothing more than their reproductive organs will never be free of rape. So to sum up my view it isn't any better for a woman to sell her body in order to prevent a child from being abused; both outcomes are terrible. The child will be abused anyways, because human commodification and male entitelement are the main reason behind this.
    Being sexually frustrated is no excuse for a man to lower himself into being a 'john'; in other words someone with little consideration for a woman's humanity. In the end there is no difference between the mindset of a 'john' and that of an 'abuser'.
    Yes, this is something I can agree with. A better education about gender equality and empathy. And to detoxicate their brains of the porn induced preferences. this education of empathy will prevent behaviors like prostitution and rape, it is the real cure for all this suffering, not more entitelement nor egocentric worldviews.
    I don't want you to have a pessimistic view about all of this, one day porn will no longer be, because it's too destructive and people will have to comfront it in spite of their will to live in an ignorant bliss. Porn is the most destructive poison ever created, one that is based on misogyny and brutality, objectification, racial discrimination, incest, pedophilia..etc. Where you see your most important values being trashed and tramped upon, and sadly you even learn to appreaciate it and erotize it.
     
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  8. she-dernatinus

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    Look, by no way my intention was to attack you or accuse you or anything. But since you pointed out this issue of having a woman selling her body in order to prevent another person from being abused. I felt that this is a huge misconception that needs to be addressed.
    But I believe you when you claimed being against the work of a prostitute. Nevertheless, it's useful to have sufficient immunity against potential apologism for it.
     
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  9. If it ended for money, it wasn't love, it was parasitic relationship.
     
  10. Maybe you can post it in Nofap auf Deutsch to see if they agree with the news article and how much truth there is to it. Your post sounds like every German girl/women and men are gold diggers and rapists. But if what you have said about Germany is true from your experience ,its sad but not a shocker.
     
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  11. Krillin1993

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    I agree with you. I think both genders are victims when it comes to prostitution. Those Woman making money from weak men, who are just horny. And those woman indeed treated like trash by those "customers" as well. I see the platform "Onlyfans" or "Chaturbate" as the future prostitution for people who are no pornstars and still wants to earn fast money. The thing is that you will never can stop porn. Even in China they use VPN to watch Pornhub....so I think we have to solve this Problem with more education work at school. The school nor my religious family never ever explained me the danger of porn since it is a taboo to talk about these things so openly. This is whats missing. But to come back to your statement that we should ban prostitution is abit difficult to realize that. If we ban all prostitution work all swingerclubs all gang bang meetings all glory hole then the number of rapists will indeed rising up instantly. And the other thing is: How do you want to help those drug addicts who need the drug when the government obviously not helping them directly? The government doesn't care if you are drug addict or not, if you need help then you need to help yourself and then you will see so many woman doing prostitution illegally on the streets with much more immoral sexual acts like using no condom only to earn the money faster. This is hard to control. In every country there is sex for sale yes even in saudi arabia in jeddah there are prostitution in the mother Land of the sharia.
     
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  12. Learn to fly again

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    We still have hope tho. See... Motivational books, self help materials are more available now. Now it's more of a thing where you actually can change. All that matters is just the will to do it, not like years ago, where you had to probably just become religious or smth to come to enlightening that money ain't that important and all that. But yeah, we're still into materialistic stuff etc., but it doesn't mean it's going to always be like it. By the way, it has been like it also before.
     
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  13. Krillin1993

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    No I know you don't want to attack me. I just wanted to show that if you ban any Kind of work like prostitution or sex for sale in General what are the consequences thereafter? This is something what is hard to control from the government. I don't make any excuses. In the core of your statement I agree with you but a sex addicted country like germany is, can't handle that. So if you ban sex work in germany you will discover thousands of illegal sex workers again. And this is the thing what it makes it more worse.
     
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    My Intention was not to show the germans as Gold diggers or rapists. In the article it says every 10th person is like that. My main intention to show you this is that love in germany goes more and more to a wrong direction. The sense of true love becomes invisible. The society has a lack of understanding each other more and more. It seems like People are only good when they can offer something to their partner. People are not talking about inner values anymore. Maybe thats not only a german thing but more like a western young and modern behaviour to act like that...I don't know. My heart is really broken somehow. I will definetly post it on Nofap deutsch/german
     
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    You know what? You are definetly right!...but this society where I live is not like that. If you, as a man, have no job, no money and have a serious illlness and on top of that a soft heart the majority of german woman have no respect to you. They will think that you are a useless guy. Thats why I like budhism and budhist people so much, I found great religious vietnamese people who won't never judge you for your circumstances. Maybe the germans have a lack of compassion? I don't know man. I am just upset.
     
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    Of course. All the relationships which I see and heard about in germany ended up in misery. In my old school class 99% of german parents were divorced. I have never heard about a good working relationship among german couples. It ends up in divorcing the partner or switching the partner. This shocked me so much that I lost the hope to trust woman. Its not like that german woman behave like that also german men acting ignorant and egoistic. I am not a mysoginist but I can confirm what some MGTOW man on Yotube are saying it about woman. Maybe it's not only a german issue anymore but more like a western issue maybe?
     
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  17. It's possible.

    Also, even I (not being German, or idk) wouldn't want to date a person who doesn't have a job. (I mean, it's okay to date a guy or girl who is trying to find a job, but if they are lazy or simply incompetent, ofc it makes sense not to ruin your own life for them.)
     
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  18. she-dernatinus

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    Yes in a sense. But the prostitued suffers more than the buyer. And in various levels. The john can walk away from the 'business' and continue his life as if nothing has happened, while the woman will have to deal with a huge number of 'custumers' she hates deep down and only has sex with them because they paid.
    I think the consequences will be positive under one condition: to have severe penalties for rape if the crime is proven to be true. In this time and age, women can't simply accuse men of raping them falsely since science has advanced so much.
    In the mosuo region of china, where a matriarchal system is in place, the word for 'rape' doesn't exist. Since the punishment for this is death. They refer to rape the same way as they refer to murder.
    People, mostly men, don't only rape because they are frustrated. They do this because they love to take control and subjugate women and children.
    As for whether the governement can control this or not. It is all a matter of the type of system in charge. If it's a patriarchal system like Saudi Arabia, where females are viewed as nothing more than property and a cheap meat, it is not suprising to find prositution and rape no matter how strict the regime is. Not because men are frustrated but for the reason that they are so entiteled to have anything they wish from a woman. And they don't care if it traumatises women and children in the long run.
    In the west, and despite appearances of gender equality and liberty, women and men still adhere, subconsciously, to old gender roles. Women base their whole success on their physical appeal and submissiveness while men still exhibit the callous desire for dominance and useless violence. There is still the expired myth that men are more 'visual' compared to women. Men inappropriately oogle at women, watch heinous abuse and objectifcation of women and children, constitute the major demand of the sex industry where little consideration of those used by them, because they are more 'visual' and there is no need to bother ourselves about those who will get the burns of it.
    Men consitute the largest consumers and addicts of porn not because they are more visual and can't help themselves, but because they receive endless forms of apologism and excuses for their behaviors, thus don't have much inhibations for such behaviors except for religious ones. Women are 'visual' just as men; we have the ability to be aroused by imagery just like men, but this truth has been dismissed in order to promote another, male-centred, exclusive narrative. If we aren't that 'visual' , then can anyone explain to me the arousal I feel when watching sexual intercourse ? Or by seeing an attractive naked male body ? .
    This myth is exactly the same as saying that prostitution prevents rape. While it's clear that it is part of the reasons rape does exist.

    But to clarify one thing; in china you have to register your ID if you want to use VPN. in other words; the governement is aware of what type of content you want to consume or what websites you want to access. And sites like PH are blocked in china; even if someone uses VPN to access it the authorities will end up knowing.
    I think you should dig a little further in order to grasp what type of "hunt" china has launched against porn as a form of "spiritual poisoning". It is the most serious resistance strategy after north korea.
    But trust me, there is no need to lose hope. And one day porn will no longer be anything other than a nightmarish period for humanity. But first, the whole system need to be changed and altered from the roots.
    Again, I'm sorry for derailing this thread, but I'm too much aware of how women,a minority of men and children suffer in the sex industry to be able to play devil's advocate for 'johns' or have any sympathy for them.

    But I do agree with your whole point about germany and the west as a political and social structure. Egoistical tendencies are the product of materialism, capitalism and individualism. As well as the pointless cult of celebrity that is nowdays unfounded and undeserved (the kardashians). Medias are grooming people to pursue superficial success and false approval and acceptance instead of being actually successful.
     
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  19. she-dernatinus

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    Yes I approve of this approach. Even though it's not sufficient without the collaboration of the authorities that need to put heavy restrictions on P use and the sex industry. If not abolish them gradually.
    I think the education you refer to should be based on what is an empathic sexual attraction. And how people aren't made for consumption but for connection, both men and women. And that no disgust nor repulsion nor degradation should be accepted in order to satisfy one side. People need to learn to distinguish between entiteled attraction and one that is based on mutual respect and consideration; so no gold digging. In this age women and men have similar opportunities and no one has any excuse to reduce both themselves and their whole gender into a one-dimensional being.
    Don't worry I'm aware that you aren't a misogynist. I know you care about empathy and deep connections between men and women. And that you aren't the type of men who find excuses for things like prostitution or rape, or even porn.
     
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  20. she-dernatinus

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    It is undeniably a western issue. However, I think you should be wary of the MGTOW groups as they appear to have a deep and fervent hatered for women. But I'm not insinuating that you are like them, you just need to be careful. Many of them are actually dangerous psychopaths.
     
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