Thoughts on Jordan Peterson?

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I noticed a lot of left wing people are always talking trash about Jordan Peterson or any famous red pill guy
 
I am not an expert on Jordan Peterson and can't comment on him as a person, but from the YouTube videos I have seen of him, I've found myself highly agreeing with his views about modern feminism and transgenderism. He forms his thoughts in a very logical and rational way that appeals to me and that I feel like general society is lacking nowadays.
 
Another guy I don't know much about (speaking of which, what happened to the Andrew Tate thread? Did that guy really go snitching lmfao?)

I did find it sad that people made fun of him for getting addicted to painkillers. Typical that the people always preaching tolerance are at heart often nasty and vindictive people.
 
I don't agree with everything he says (could say the same about anyone, really), but I quite like Dr. Peterson. I think he has a lot of wisdom and I like how he encourages people to take responsibility for their lives and stop being lazy.
 
I used to be a fanboy, but sort of grew out of it. Lately he's seemed genuinely unhinged though. Like the way he got so upset over there being a plus sized model in a cover of a magazine that he started publically shittalking her looks and didn't seem to understand when people disliked that, the weird Ukraine takes where he rationalized Russia's actions as Putin wanting to protect Ukraine from western degeneracy etc... It's one thing to have opinions I disagree with, but this type of stuff just makes me question wether there's something going wrong in his life and/or head atm.
 
TakingTheSteps said:
Also, this is one of my favorite videos of all time.

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Haha, hilarious video! :-D

I am definitely a fan of Jordan Peterson. He may not be flawless but man he is knowledgeable and knows how to put it in words. I feel much inspired by him and am thankful how he put me into touch with a lot of great ideas and thinkers. He definitely made, and still is, an impact on my life for the better!
 
He has some interesting viewpoints . but everyone has a different way in how they see the world but there is some basic fundamentals . but wether you agree with him or not individual mind is what creates the world .
 
ShadyPerson said:
I used to be a fanboy, but sort of grew out of it. Lately he's seemed genuinely unhinged though. Like the way he got so upset over there being a plus sized model in a cover of a magazine that he started publically shittalking her looks and didn't seem to understand when people disliked that, the weird Ukraine takes where he rationalized Russia's actions as Putin wanting to protect Ukraine from western degeneracy etc... It's one thing to have opinions I disagree with, but this type of stuff just makes me question wether there's something going wrong in his life and/or head atm.
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Jordan Peterson, although a flawed man, with his own demons, and in my personal view, some blindspots, is a remarkable man, a voice of reason in a sea of madness.

His focus on personal responsability and the escalability of this for a greater good, is his background in cognitive behavioral therapy applied flawlessly, quite a great thing to witness.

Now...

"Plus sized", you have to love how our society has become such a weak shameful shell of what it used to be, that now we are referring to fat people as if they are a freaking McDonalds menu option.
 
MrPriest said:
Jordan Peterson, although a flawed man, with his own demons, and in my personal view, some blindspots, is a remarkable man, a voice of reason in a sea of madness.

His focus on personal responsability and the escalability of this for a greater good, is his background in cognitive behavioral therapy applied flawlessly, quite a great thing to witness.

Now...

"Plus sized", you have to love how our society has become such a weak shameful shell of what it used to be, that now we are referring to fat people as if they are a freaking McDonalds menu option.
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personally i think.people who have managed to escape society as it is . who live in the likes of alaska or somewhere off grid are the lucky ones no longer do they have to listen to alot of the bullshit that festers from all corners on a daily basis .
 
I think some of his lectures on the Bible have been excellent and I tend to agree with his view on the Bible. I think some of his ideas about taking personal responsibility are good. I enjoyed his podcast because he spoke to various people on various issues. I liked the fact he would open the podcast by saying I'm here to listen and to learn but since joining the Daily Wire he seemed to have changed. He seems more right-wing now, I never considered him a conservative more right-centre but politically he seemed to have changed.
 
That's the result of so many people being lost. So many "teachers" popping up like mushrooms. Supply and demand. Randoms showing up with mediocre ideas on Youtube saying things that have been said a billion times before them, getting on any trend that shows up, and doing some sensationalism, and they score big. He should just have kept making Disney movie psychological analysis if you ask me. Also, if you're depressed yourself, I would suggest not teaching other people how not to be. Quite hypocritical.
 
I was going to start a thread about this. David Fuller was a Jordan Peterson fan and did a documentary on him. Pretty sure he got fired from Channel 4 for coming out in support of him but now he's being critical of him.

 
ShadyPerson said:
Like the way he got so upset over there being a plus sized model in a cover of a magazine that he started publically shittalking her looks and didn't seem to understand when people disliked that
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How exactly is expressing personal aesthetic preferences "shittalking"? Everyone has a right to express their opinion respectfully. I find it really annoying how nowadays any man saying they prefer women not to have hair on their body or that period blood is unattractive is immediately labeled as shaming women or being misogynistic and sexist. Why is any critical opinion about women that is in regards to their appearance/bodily fluids or behavior automatically equated with attacking their value as people? That is such mental gymnastics.

Also he was mostly criticizing the woke agenda of trying to promote overweight people as "beautiful". Nobody on earth is going to have plastic surgery to have fat deposited in them or to get a bump on their nose because it is so beautiful. We have an innate sense of aesthetics and overweight people are not aesthetically beautiful. But again, some invisible entity in our society has apparently the authority to establish that a person's looks are equal to their personal value, which means criticizing one means criticizing the other. It is just human nature to want to look at something aesthetically pleasing, a painting or a sunset or a bed of flowers or a well proportioned body in a magazine. Nobody is going to buy a magazine with shots of spiders and mosquitos. Saying a person doesn't look aesthetically pleasing is not in the slightest equal to attacking and denying their worth as a human being.

Ironic how I come off as a Peterson fan now... guess I will go back to my videos of based Dr Peterson and Ben Shapiro destroying libtards with LOGIC, FACTS, and REASON epic style!!!
 
Angel in the Dark said:
How exactly is expressing personal aesthetic preferences "shittalking"? Everyone has a right to express their opinion respectfully.
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Think it went beyond expressing an opinion respectfully.

From David Fuller's essay:

This is the greatest ongoing paradox with Peterson, the level to which his actions increasingly contradict his own philosophical rules and maxims. None of us are perfect, and all have our little hypocrisies, but the gap between words and deeds has become a cavern with Peterson.

Peterson does not embody his philosophy, in fact his actions are is in direct contradiction with so many of its core tenets. Most clearly there is a serious lack of personal responsibility.

Just in the time that I have been considering this piece, his public behaviour has been getting more and more erratic, with multiple outbursts on Twitter that verge on the personal attacks (on plus size swimwear models), pledges to leave or reduce his use of Twitter that last mere hours before returning to more compulsive tweeting, with a recent tweet that Twitter judged broke their terms of service leading to a temporary ban.

Contrast his recent aggressive, unapologetic and deeply unlikeable response to his Twitter ban with how he responded to a sense in 2018 that he was getting more reactive and angry in his relationships with journalists...

Now by contrast he seems to have settled on a philosophy of 'never apologise', never explain, never to self-inquire and always to double down, and to deliberately steer into the angry conservative commentator persona, in his latest pieces to the point of self parody.

Incidentally I also think the aesthetics of his latest video, high definition, multi camera and glossy, undercuts his core appeal with his internet fans. He used to look like the underdog, generally with low fi webcam recordings, versus the high production values of the mainstream. Now in his latest piece he looks every inch the mainstream conservative commentator he has become, and the overall effect is more ‘Empire’ than ‘Rebel’...

Over time I have come to the conclusion that Peterson's philosophy is necessary, but not sufficient. I still believe his premise of living out the deeper narrative of our culture in one's actions, and orienting to the highest truth in our lives is fundamentally correct. Also the need to develop a strong inner core of truth and honesty, while taking responsibility, is necessary.

It's not so much what he says, it's what he leaves out. And these missing aspects are important and necessary to know about for those tempted to follow his advice, and, I would argue, it is these missing aspects in his philosophy that have led him to the place he now finds himself.

Peterson willingly stepped into the role of the one who knows, the 'epistemic authority'. And there was much that he did know, particularly from his work as a clinical psychologist and student of belief and extremism.

But over time he became trapped by this role, he stopped listening and stopped growing. He broke his rule on assuming that the person he was speaking to knew something he didn't.

One of the most tragic arcs has been what looks from the outside like an increasing and painful isolation. There was always a clear prophetic or messianic streak in his delivery, and this increasingly looked like a doomed solo mission.
 
MindfulWarrior said:
Randoms showing up with mediocre ideas on Youtube
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Lol imagine calling a man with a PhD in clinical psychology and several decades of esteemed experience in his field a "random on YouTube."

Not everybody has to agree with Peterson's views, but acting like he is akin to some random person on YouTube making life coaching videos or something is pretty silly.
 
I like him.

Though I really never watch any of his stuff. I prefer to read the books he's based his worldview on, which I believe is much more useful than listening to him. He's a good start, however.

I personally would rather be my own spiritual leader for myself, than rely on one. As seen he has many demons.
 
I think I've heard enough from muslim extremists in my country to know that nothing good comes from a man who brings up women's makeup and appearances when confronted with the problematic of sexual harassement at the workplace.

Additionally, it's not right to dismiss his given explanation about how the reason 'western feminists are not criticising muslim radicals because they secretly long for male dominance'.

Also let's not forget how he implied that the solution for the incel epidemic is none other than 'enforced, long term monogamy'. Completely dismissing all the social factors and gender related expectations leading to this outcome for many young men, and instead pining the responsibility on women.

In short, this man is a misogynist who knew how to cover up his real stance for quite a long time by using word salads to avoid giving concrete, direct answers and employing sophisticated jargons to formulate really simple thoughts, all to project some sort of shallow intellectualism.
 
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onceaking said:
Think it went beyond expressing an opinion respectfully.
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I don't know who David Fuller is and what he in his essay claims Peterson has said with maybe or maybe not providing a list of references. I was strictly referring to the incidence with Peterson writing a tweet about a plus size model on the cover of Sports Illustrated "Sorry. Not beautiful. And no amount of authoritarian tolerance is going to change that."
 
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