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Trans and Sissy porn has hijacked my life, is it too late to return?

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Jamie_K, Feb 25, 2017.

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Is there a chance for my return to being a str8 guy?

  1. yes, James can return

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  2. no, Jamie, it is too late

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  1. Jamie_K

    Jamie_K Guest

    I guess I was describing the very small subset of men that are the ones that attract me, not "all" men---not by a longshot. I agree --- many men are as you describe, but I ignore them or have little to do w them.
    Frankly having trouble responding here to specific questions and at the same time making universally accepted commentary for all. Maybe I really am in the wrong Forum ---- maybe i need to stop or get off NoFap.
    Apologies to have now offended you.
     
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  2. Jamie_K

    Jamie_K Guest

    Goodbye to NoFap. I appreciate the nice people that have been communicating and listening to me here. Thank you all and good luck to you --- each and every one.
     
  3. D . J .

    D . J . Fapstronaut

    You have not offended me! Are you kidding??!?!??? Really???? I'm showing you... you. I'm placing a mirror in front of Jamis and allowing her to see and her how she sounds.
     
  4. Jamie_K

    Jamie_K Guest

    DJ --- you were one of the first people to welcome me to NoFap, so I will play back your opening comments to me:

    "..you are amongst friends who are here to encourage you and not judge you."

    ...and then further on you said... "Quitting PMO will not be easy but understand, we are here to support you as much as an online community can".

    You were NOT showing me ME. You took a narrowly viewed interpretation of an innocent yet very open and honest response to a sweet guy that asked me questions----a guy who also thought I could give him insight...a sweet guy that wondered aloud if he and I were, perhaps two "peas in a pod". I endeavored to help him understand my mind so he could gauge his.

    I am sorry if, in my responses of my little and insignificant views of the world, that i do not worry about the overarching interpretations of every frikkin' person online across an entire planet --- I was merely speaking from my heart to his.

    You have been awesome to me, I am just taken aback at the opportunistic shot to be hurtful. It is so NOT you, DJ....or is it?

    I'm done crying. I am on day 7 and now need some positive reinforcement. My boyfriend is gone, I am alone and horny as f*ck, so I am going out dancing to a club w my friend Bernadette. I need some noise and some positive attention.
     
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  5. Star Lord

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    What does your gut want?
    Just go with that.

    The first answer to your questions that pops in your head is your gut feeling.
    Anything else is just confusion.
    Act on your first instincts yo.
     
  6. D . J .

    D . J . Fapstronaut

    I am going to challenge you so get ready for it. I am going challenge and than do it again until you speak intentionally and with thought.

    You can get mad at me but I can take it but I think you know I am on your side and will be here when you think everyone has forgotten about you.
     
  7. Jamie_K

    Jamie_K Guest

    I spoke intentionally, and with thought, but to someone else ---- in context. Call it challenge, fine. I will not fight on this point. Too much going on to get twisted off right now.
    I appreciate you'll be on my side. I need that.
     
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  8. Fap_Doc

    Fap_Doc Guest

    Ironically, DJ seems more girly than Jamie LOL.
     
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  9. D . J .

    D . J . Fapstronaut

    I am gay... it comes out at times. Ha!
     
  10. Hiraeth

    Hiraeth Fapstronaut

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    I think the things I read on your post are the 'biggest steaming pile of sexist bullshit'. You can talk for yourself but not for another woman. Male and female brains are different, it's scientifically proven and not open for opinion.

    I feel like conversing with grade schoolers.
     
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  11. Hiraeth

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    Honestly Jamie (I say/write Jamie now because you obviously don't want to be James) I do think you are wrong on the forum.

    When I see you writing about stuff I see no effort at all. The vibes I got from you until now:
    1. You want attention.
    2. You don't really want to change. You are just afraid of growing old as a woman and losing your 'power' as a pretty girl.
    3. I think you are a very egocentric and narcisstic person.


    You write stuff like:
    "When your lipstick costs $48, you can't afford to be kissing guys that are losers."
    "I am totally into BBS: Boys, Bags, and Shoes "

    That makes me think you are very, very shallow and desperate for attention.

    "My boyfriend is gone, I am alone and horny as f*ck, so I am going out dancing to a club w my friend Bernadette. I need some noise and some positive attention."

    Nofap is about getting off p0rn and sex-related addiction. Obviously that is not your goal.
    You should frequent a transgender forum or trans-related lgbt forums.

    People here will talk to you with the goal in mind to help you get off an addiction and reverse effects p0rn may have caused. I don't think that will benefit you.

    Honestly reading up until this point only makes me think you are here to flaunt your 'girliness' and self perceived hotness etc... and getting attention as a woman.

    The issue here at hand is not about gender but personality.
    I have 'issues' too, as everyone does, but I tackle them.
    You also have 'issues' tackle them or don't that's up to you.

    I understand you are scared and want/need help. I understand you have difficult decisions to make.
    But what you are doing and have been doing on this forum has not been helping you at all.

    You can 'hate' me for all I care. I won't sugarcoat things for you. That would be only making it worse in the longterm.
    You need to wake up before it's too late.
    Your identity's cornerstones are sexual thoughts and fantasies.
    Ask yourself the right questions: Would you still want to be a girl if it meant being an 'ugly girl' ? What would you choose between being a hot guy or ugly girl?
    Would you still want to be a girl when you are old?
    Would you still want to be a girl if it meant having no sex for the rest of you life but you could have sex if you choose to be man?
    Answered no 2 or 3 times? then think real hard about what that really means.

    Greetings from a 'hot' guy.
     
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  12. fuzzywaz

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    Uh.... I will assume this is directed at me, since you quoted my statement, but tbh I am a little confused because your comment infers you took what I said and applied the opposite meaning to it..... which is weird so....?

    This statement is ironic considering it is literally your personal opinion. I think the links I provided are sound. Basically the recent studies conclude that there are no definitive male or female brain characteristics, and that the majority of people display overlap in areas that were formally thought to be either exclusively "male" or "female". Also brains are quite plastic and the development and changes in structures are highly influenced by environment. Neuroscience can't definitively conclude what is nature vs. nurture and the sexes are socialized very differently from one another in most cultures. If you were to view a scan of a random brain, you would not be able to read, by that alone, the sex of the person. This is pertinent to discussions around sexism, because for decades the idea of an inferior female brain was pushed as a justification for the subjugation women. But I am sure all this talk of neuroscience and gender vs sex is making you feel like you're back in grade school right? ;)
     
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  13. Hiraeth

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    Yeah, I think you abusing the word sexist is sexist, got a problem with that?


    too funny that every article about your great studies were written by women.

    Also all three of your great links are quoting one, only one and the same study.

    One study alone holds absolutely no evidence.

    Directly taken from the study:
    ""Our study demonstrates that, although there are sex/gender differences in the brain, human brains do not belong to one of two distinct categories: male brain/female brain.""

    I mean did you even read it?

    The study says the brains of females and males are different but not completely different, like a different species.

    Wow, what a great discovery.

    And here are studies that refute your claim (multipe not just one)

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/men-women-brains-difference-1.3473154

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidd...en-are-different-very-different/#5848568349d2

    https://www.nih.gov/news-events/new...als-how-differences-male-female-brains-emerge

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hope-relationships/201402/brain-differences-between-genders

    http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/more-evidence-that-male-and-female-brains-are-wired-differently

    ______________________________________________________________________________________

    What i am tired of is people finding one random study reading it and declaring it the worlds universal truth, just so it can fit their convenient worldview.

    And what makes me feel like back in grade school is conversing with people that argue like grade schoolers.


    PS: Fuzzywaz don't mind answering my post, you already landed on my ignorelist and that will probs stay that way. Sorry, I just don't have time for you.
     
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  14. fuzzywaz

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    dude, this is exactly what i said...reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it?

    I did this where exactly? No where in my statement was I declaring universal truth, I literally said that neuroscience is not conclusive on whether differences develop through nurture or nature. Also great links you posted. Did YOU actually read them because none of them refute or go against anything that was found in the other study. Again, maybe do a little work on reading comprehension. You are coming off very argumentatively here, while simultaneously failing to even establish a point, much less one that contradicts anything I've said. My troll radar is off the charts at this point so I won't be responding again. But good luck to you in your endeavor to rewire the changes you created in your brain connectivity by repeatedly exposing yourself to an environmental stimulus! :rolleyes:
     
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  16. Jamie_K

    Jamie_K Guest

    Well, I guess I have been squarely "put in my place" by insightful people "challenging" me (but no judging). OK. I will persevere. Thank you ALL for your constructive feedback and observations --- I will not challenge one of your judgements --- let them stand on the merits of the incisive arguments made.

    I see how the NoFap forums work --- comply or leave. I will comply, as I do need help (would prefer it without bullying and judgement, but if thats what it takes, fine). I will also be very careful sharing anything about me that can be used to attack me, and definitely should not share musings or trivial thoughts as they seem to now DEFINE me. OK. Got it.

    So for those asking personal questions, apologies in advance that I probably won't answer them. They seem to be inadequate in fullness and correctness and i share to much of my inner thoughts in a way that allows pretty harsh (but apparently fully justified) judgments. Ill avoid that and just seek the tried-and-true recipe as fed.

    JAMES
     
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  17. Hiraeth

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    I respect that decision.
    I don't like judging people. No judgement is ever justified. But sometimes even if it hurts right now, you have to in order to prevent longterm misery.

    I don't know you as a person, I only have 'judged' you on the glimpse and limited view I got on you on this forum.

    Sex reassignment surgery isn't a game and you wouldn't be the first to regret it. In my eyes, as long as you have an arousal addiction you are not ready to make that decision.

    http://www.sexchangeregret.com/

    http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2016/06/17166/

    https://www.quora.com/How-common-is...d-sex-reassignment-surgery-to-regret-it-later

    http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/19/transgender-regret-is-real-even-if-the-media-tell-you-otherwise/

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...r-regrets-sarah-lonsdale-reports-1512822.html


    Living as a woman and transitioning MAY be right for you. I am not telling you to not do that. What I am saying is to make the decision after you unhooked from your addiction. That's up to you though.

    You can think of me as the bad guy if that helps. I am not here to make you feel good, the reason I use my (valuable) time is to help you make the right decisions.
    If you don't want that help, I am cool with that, tell me and I will leave you alone.
     
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  18. D . J .

    D . J . Fapstronaut

    No, James is not in the wrong place at all! We all have a process we must go through to get to where we will end. His process is one that will take longer as he has to go through a process of dealing with PMO is is far different than most. I have seen far too many people on NoFap whose journey started out as one what did not look as progress is being made but with continued support, there is progress is made.

    The last thing any of us can do is to discourage anyone from being here. We all came here at different places along our journey but eventually we all make it if we stick to it.

    Do you not see how damaging it is to discourage anyone from being here? Just because the road does not look like yours or ones you've seen , please not discourage anyone. Some of your points may be valid but your delivery will ensure your message is never heard. Your tone may even have more validity if this new person had been on NoFap fap for 6 or 7 months rather than 6 or 7 days. There are far too many your approach of tough love may help but it does not serve everyone equally.

    Please be mindfind of what you say because words have power and a powerful fuel used carelessly can cause much damage.
     
  19. Rockyroad

    Rockyroad Fapstronaut

    Wow, I do not know where to begin in a response to these ideas. It looks like everyone is out to mold Jamie into his or her interpretation of an "ideal type" NoFap member. Everyone has his or her own journey that led to this particular moment. I can relate to some of the experiences that Jamie went through in the past and can understand how difficult this lifestyle choice can be. Instead, the reactions all deal with people attacking a person who is just trying to feel comfortable in a new setting and think, on the website, about all of the thoughts and actions that happen throughout the day.

    Some have said that they are not trying to judge, while directly judging. I thought that a person would not be judged for talking about his or her thoughts in relation to sexual desires and PMO. Then again, maybe people are worried about too much honesty that disagrees with his or her own interpretation of disclosure. I do not know another way to see this, when on someone else's introduction, another person specifically calls them 'narcissistic'. This comes without any personal attacks in the other direction prior to those comments. Sorry but this is unacceptable. The goal is to have a safe community where we all can try to improve upon ourselves through the avoidance of some aspect of PMO. THIS PROGRESSION IS NONLINEAR. I remember reading that somewhere. This experience is quite different for each person. And everyone is fighting his or her own personal demons that may never be seen by others. Please be a bit kinder to each other in the future.
     
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  20. Jamie_K

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    I posted this 18 hours ago in a different place (My Journal) on this forum, but it belongs here as this seems to be where the dialog is currently happening:

    Here is what week one on NoFap -- the place to share and learn and grow, and not be judged, LOL ---- has taught me:
    • I am a narcissist.
    • I am shallow.
    • I do not belong here.
    • I have been invited to leave! (yes. really)
    • I am not trying.
    • I am a bimbo.

    I also learned:



      • simple musings are dangerous. (very!)
      • do not think out loud.
      • share snippets of personal information or views at your peril: it will be used opportunistically to (negatively) characterize the fullness of your personality

    Even THIS commentary I am making now will offend many, but it is what I have experienced after a week on NoFap. So, to dissuade those self-righteous judges from another verbally violent response, lets go with this: I am sure it is all my fault ---- thats the way it works here---loud, self-righteous or self -confident-in-their-narrow-views people insist they're "not judging", and then judge by "challenging". (Kind of feels like the "alternative facts" argument --- semantics for "yes, I'm-lying-but-we-won't-call-it-that".....its semantics.)

    Here is why I came here:



      • For support
      • to learn
      • to grow
      • to understand
      • to change if needed
    I met some nice people too, but the loud nasty ones just stand out.

    ....yup

    JAMES


    Now, having read the breadth of feedback from above commentary, I am taken by the seriously compromised position one can get in to by exploring-aloud one's deepest thoughts ---- that is NOT GOOD----not here, not openly, as this place is NOT SAFE to do that, especially for trans people like me, especially for non-Christian (I am Buddhist) trans people who are confused.

    Musing out loud seems to gather hostility on NoFap, not patient insight and collective wisdom-gathering (apparently I am wasting someones valuable time ---- more valuable than mine trying to learn and understand).

    Is judging and name-calling so early in the process necessary?
    Perhaps.

    Perhaps we trans people are just too much problem?
    Straight folks discriminate against us ---but not all.
    Gay folks discriminate against us---bUt not all (yet so many TG friends say gay people are even more so---which I prefer to hold judgment,)

    I came here because I felt that early porn exposure, and my obsessive reaction to it, displaced the opportunity for a guided therapeutic path with professional counseling to choosing m2f transition. That "obsessive reaction" also caused me to live, at a young and vulnerable age, and act-out the life I watched on porn sites.

    I came here to try to uncover some collected wisdom from some with similar challenges (which has happened) and maybe have the chance to reflect in a SAFE place (that has definitely NOT happened).
    Is that possible?

    I am also sharing my life in RESPONSE to questions people ask me, and I am trying to (1) help in a very open and honest set of response and (2) share my feelings. I am not writing as if the entire world is waiting to pounce if I veer from pan-PC verbiage in a simple response.

    SERIOUS QUESTION: should i go DELETE all that I wrote before because it so violently offends here? I do not fit the NoFap cookie-cutter mold --- my PMO at a young age led to very real-life acting out and significant lifestyle-redirection and choices---it is threadth of that trajectory I am trying to understand. IS THAT WRONG or is that just NOT what NoFap is about? MAYBE my issues are too complex to "waste time on".

    I can delete more so as to be MORE COMPLIANT to the NoFap "mold"----i have deleted a lot already

    JAMES (as Jamie seems to offend, or is now used dismissively)
     
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