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What do you think?

This poll will close on Dec 27, 2020 at 11:36 PM.
  1. Agree

    61.5%
  2. Disagree

    36.5%
  3. Left's Trump derangement syndrome

    11.5%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Hros

    Hros Fapstronaut

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    Actually, it doesn't say much at all. I like food, mass shooters like food. Am I evil?
     
  2. brilliantidiot

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    Right @Hros . Fallacy of the undistributed middle term I believe.
     
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  3. MLMVSS

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    You also breathe air, you filthy fascist!
     
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  4. MLMVSS

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    Obama was a corporate shill who pushed a healthcare system favouring insurance companies over the everyday person, and he sold weapons to “rebels” (the American way of saying terroristic jihadists, apparently?) in Syria, essentially building up ISIS for the rest of us to suffer with. Don’t act like Trump is unique to those “qualities”, lol it’s an American staple.

    Then you have the entire 2020 Democrats (other than Tulsi, Williamson and Yang) and their Congressional neolib/neocon mates pretending to be for the people, but are actually warmongering, power-hungry corporatists who want a war with North Korea and Russia, and will even silence and censor their anti-war leftist “allies” for pointing that out? How does that benefit the everyday person?

    The absurdity of your post, and the posts here in general, shows how laughably (and frighteningly) uninformed Americans are about anything outside their borders. Heck, even inside them.
     
    Last edited: Aug 6, 2019
  5. Dat95

    Dat95 Fapstronaut

    The ACA has many flaws but it’s the first of its kind in the US. Should have been improved instead of being shutdown.
    Isis got funding from Saudi, take US armament from iraqis army.

    Most of the recent wars are waged by Republican.

    They are heavily divided by political ideologies. It seems American has lost what they were famous for: cooperation.
     
  6. MLMVSS

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    So, you’re a believer in the political party false dichotomy. Democrats were also war-happy and pushers for conflict, they just prefer to be warmongers to differing countries.
     
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  7. SuperFan

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    That's exactly how it's supposed to be. It's how our Constitution was framed. James Madison, one of the Founders, wrote about how the Constitution gave the federal government powers which were "few and defined," and gave the states powers that were "numerous and indefinite." It's why our Constitution has the 10th Amendment, which says powers that aren't exclusively delineated in the Constitution would automatically be given to the states.

    Over time, that has changed dramatically. The federal government in the United States has become massive, and we have a fourth branch--the administrative state--full of an alphabet soup of agencies like the FDA, FCC, HUD, EPA, and NLRB (among others) that effectively write thousands of pages of regulations which have the force of law, even though none of the people writing those regulations have been elected by the people.

    For people who don't live here, it might be hard to understand (truth be told, too many American citizens don't care enough to understand), but our nation has drifted very far from the principles outlined in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. It's part of the reason we're in debt to a staggering total of $21 trillion, which will never, ever, ever, ever be paid back. The only thing keeping us afloat is the fact that the US dollar is the world's reserve currency. If that ever changes, American citizens are going to find themselves in serious, serious trouble.
     
  8. Just done

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    Just stop!
     
  9. I think your post is really good except this evaluation. Politicians don't really "want" any of these things, they're interested in the office first and foremost. What gets done is largely irrelevant to them, except it should make them look good to get elected again. And sometimes they even think they're making positive change, however unbelievable it sounds.
     
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  10. Well, the US was originally meant to be a temporary coalition to defeat the British Empire. I wonder how different things would have been if that ended up being the case.
     
  11. SuperFan

    SuperFan Fapstronaut

    What is your evidence for this?
     
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  12. This is the impression I got. If it's wrong please correct me.

    First, there was a Continental Congress which served the thirteen colonies' representatives to meet and discuss the war and nothing more. Later the independent states entered into a Confederation which was a weak pact serving to display unity in order to conduct foreign policy like securing France as an ally against Britain. It wasn't until the Constitution that the US became a nation.
     
  13. SuperFan

    SuperFan Fapstronaut

    That's your answer? You made a very clear claim--you said, "the US was originally meant to be a temporary coalition to defeat the British Empire." That's not true.

    You could say that the First and Second Continental Congress were temporary, but from the very moment of its creation, the United States was founded as a united, sovereign nation. The reason there was a continental congress to begin with is that the colonies considered themselves part of a united group. As Patrick Henry famously said in the Second Continental Congress:

    "British oppression has effaced the boundaries of the several colonies; the distinctions between Virginians, Pennsylvanians and New Englanders are no more. I am not a Virginian, but an American."
     
  14. Oops busted. Somehow I held it to be true without having any solid reasons for it and I wrote without thinking. Thanks for correcting me, I love to learn.
     
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  15. badbanana

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    Fuckin vermin supreme!!!! I forgot all about him. I'm going to go put my boot on brb... Is there a place to buy bumper stickers and stuff?
     
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  16. I read somewhere that Jo Rowling compared Trump to Voldemort when asked about him. I'd say Gilderoy Lockhart was a more similar character.
     
  17. NitricOxide

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    If Americans don't vote for the guy who's promising a 1k every month by taxing rich charlatans like Amazon, thereby basically improving your broken economy, then you guys deserve another 4 yrs of Trump.
     
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  18. Get_It

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    Oh wow. This site and 4chan are one of the few Pro Trump websites I have seen. Actually it's pretty cool; I'm left of center but enough is enough with the insanity.
     
  19. Get_It

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    So who will give more free stuff Bernie or Andrew?
     
  20. brilliantidiot

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    Andrew will attempt to give you free stuff by taxing the big corporations. Bernie will give you free stuff by taxing you, ie, no free stuff.
     
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