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Two options - stay or go

Discussion in 'Partner Support' started by cecilig, Jun 20, 2017.

  1. cecilig

    cecilig Fapstronaut

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    A couple of wks ago I found my husband's stash.
    I became suspicious that something was wrong because he started suffering from ED. Also, when we were together he had like a blank stare, there was no eye contact...He used to stare at the walls or the light fixture, like he was not there. Now I know where he was...It broke my heart. I don't know if it is the fact that he had some of my girlfriends' pics from FB attached to porn videos of similar girls he found online...it felt like cheating,...evidently it took him hours to work on his collection. Initially I tried to forget about it. But the thoughts kept on crawling back to my head and I started being rude to him, he asked me what was wrong, so I told him what I had found. How bad it made me feel. He promised not to do it ever again, but it is not working for me.
    The promise is not enough, I can't even tell what would be enough...to go back in time so what was done can be undone? Impossible. I wanted to be supportive - I reached out to my fondest memories of him and when we met and how wonderful it was - but sadly, it only brings questions about his doings when I was living in lululand. The reality is that I was never good enough for him. It makes me sad. Is there hope? How can I forgive? I don't know what to do!!! I have lived in a bubble, thinking of an endless love. He might love me but it is not the same as desire. I guess everything changes with time but...I was hoping for more. I feel in competition with all of those images in his head and I am in clear disadvantage. I must have very low self esteem, but the fact that he was playing with himself while watching pictures of my friends and family members does not help a bit. It makes me feel very self conscious to have my friends over when he is at home now. What can I do better... what I have done or not done to allow this. I understand that he has to stop on his own. He must want it. I refuse to continue living my life constantly wondering if he is watching porn, mentally cheating on me... At the end of the day, it is his body, it is his brain, and his thoughts. I cannot help him :( writing this, I realized that I have lost respect for him, now, that is pretty sad.
     
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  2. Kenzi

    Kenzi Fapstronaut

    You are alright.
    And leaving is up to you.
    Nobody can tell you how much you can take.
    We here on the forums will support you no matter what.
    Love isn't a magical glue.
    And respect has to be earned.
    Is he willing to fix himself and get help?
    Or are you staying and accepting this is life?
    Also, how long have you been together?
     
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  3. i_wanna_get_better1

    i_wanna_get_better1 Fapstronaut

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    Welcome to the forum @cecilig. I'm glad you were able to come find us from from Reddit. I'm very sorry you are going through this terrible situation. Addiction destroys both the addict and the innocent wife. PMO destroys a person's brain so badly that they cannot even comprehend the damage they are causing the ones closest to them.

    You asked, 'what have you done or not done to allow this'. Nothing. NONE of this is your fault. Nothing you did caused him to become an addict. Nothing you did made it worse. All blame belongs on the addict. Don't second guess the things you did or said. You deserve better.

    One of the side-effects of addiction is delusional thinking. It makes the addict turn inward and blinds them to the exterior world. Bursting that bubble is very difficult. Love and understanding often fail. Often an intervention or rock-bottom moment is needed to break through. Ever watch one of those shows where they try to get a drug addict or alcoholic to go to rehab? They don't rant, rave, shout, or cry. They present an ultimatum... get help or they cut off contact. It is not done out of anger, spite, or malice. It is done to cut through the delusional thinking. Only when the pain of continuing the behavior is greater than their ability to medicate it away do addicts start to change.

    You do not need to start with such drastic measures. You might start off with a calm talk about addiction, how it has affected you, and show him a video about the rise of addiction in our culture. If he is resistant then you might want to proceed to talking about expectations/boundaries/consequences. Some have written down their feelings, expectations, and warnings in a letter because they can't argue with words on a page. Next, some have gone a step further by creating physical or emotional distance. Some have made their SO sleep on the couch or move out.

    These steps not only help the addict to wake up but also puts an emotional buffer between the two of you. You have to triage your wounds. If he continues to hurt you emotionally then you need to start protecting yourself. Others here might be able to explain how to do that better than me. I hope you find the information, advice, and support you need from this community to turn your situation round.
     
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  4. cecilig

    cecilig Fapstronaut

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    i_wanna_get_better1, thank you so much for your post, for taking the time to respond!
    Now, I am trying my best to do my part and be supportive by stopping the accusatory tone in my voice. The worse is the feeling of betrayal. I acknowledge that we are talking about my feelings and not his...as he is peachy. He sees no wrongdoing - does not understand the magnitude of my pain and jealousy. I am afraid to admit that I might not want him in my life anymore - even though he was or is my best friend. The fact that he had pictures of my female friends saved as his private cup of honey makes my blood boil. I think I could understand his desire to look at beautiful bodies...I would have happily participated...but the fact that he had used my friends to play his fantasy games... I have my own issues and my ability to forgive/forget is non-existent - that is something that I have to work on my own.
    I will give him time to show me that he is the man that he can be. But not too much time either...maybe to the end of the year. I think that for my own good, I need to stop snooping around and acting like his nanny or private sherlock holmes. I will concentrate in my life, building new friendships, exercising and studying. I refuse to become his victim. Do you think that I am being selfish?
     
  5. cecilig

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    Hello Jolie, I find in the forums the support that nowhere else can be found - at least here I don't feel like a martian who is walking in earth without being able to tell my reality: the man that I fell in love with has been masturbating and fantasizing looking at the pictures of my sister, my cousin, my niece instead of having sex with me...for years!!!
    We have been friends for about 10 years but just got married 2 yrs. ago. Yes, the little respect I had left for him is scaping little by little through the windows. I am using all my will to be civil and cordial and not a bully who treats him like a piece of crap - which is what my heart feels like doing. We have no health insurance - so no, therapy is out of question, plus, he would not talk to "people" about these issues. He acknowledges that he has had a problem - as he puts it, "I had a problem" - but he said it is in the past ... (maybe in the past week because his computer still had porn sites sited as "frequent" searches, even though he had not even noticed). I think I could live with porn in our lives - what I cannot accept or forgive is the betrayal - the fact that he was masturbating to the sight of my family members and friends - people that we know and people that I love. People that come to our house...From now on I will always wonder about his thoughts and his doings...and I am worried that this will never change even though he might.
     
  6. i_wanna_get_better1

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    You are entitled to happiness and not have the person closest to you hurting you all the time. We enter a relationship to feel loved and protected. It's very disappointing to have that relationship turn sour and become a source of heartache. It's devastating to have the person you once loved slowly turn into a monster.

    Only you know what you are capable of tolerating. It's up to you if you want to set a timetable. Nobody will fault you for walking away. Unless there is an intervention the rest of this year will go by with no discernible changes. Even when addicts are not looking at porn, they go through life in a fog and can't discern the passage of time. It takes a shock to get them out of their dream-state.

    Addicts have terrible memories. If you are expecting change because you explained how much you hate his behavior then he will quickly forget it and sink back beneath the waves of his addiction. If your conscience is clear and you have little energy or respect left then so be it. But if you want to lay it all out there as a last ditch effort then you might want to write a letter expressing the imminent demise of the relationship. Some have been able to resurrect their relationship because of that letter.

    However, if you feel that nothing can be done and there is no way to forgive and forget, then we will respect your decision and support you just as much. It is terribly unfair that you have been put in this situation. You are an innocent victim of these circumstances. Don't blame yourself for being too loving, understanding, patient, tolerant, selfish, or naive. Your good qualities are wasted on this man. Your husband infected himself with a loathsome disease. He is destroying his life, but he doesn't have to destroy yours as well. You may be a victim but don't act like a victim. Empower yourself, continue to protect yourself, fight for what's right if necessary, and pursue the things that will make you happy.
     
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  7. Kenzi

    Kenzi Fapstronaut

    You don't need us to tell you what to do or what you want.
    Also, it sounds like you already have all your answers.
    You just have to be willing to accept what you are saying,
    To others and do something about it.
    And while therapy is great, there are often people who can't afford it.
    I am actually well connected with resources all over.
    There are plenty of places in every state (if you are US) that can help.
    Depending on what exactly you are looking for.
    Or what exactly you want to do next.
    Good luck.
     
  8. cecilig

    cecilig Fapstronaut

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    Thank you i_wanna_get_better1, that idea of the letter is great and is a must. It will be good for both of us - it will be proof that I am not crazy just acting up like a spoiled child - there are reasons for my feelings. It will be on him then. If he develops ED again - that will be his answer - it will be a clear response. I do not want to fail yet another relationship and lose him as a friend :'( I will do the letter and give it to him, hopefully it will help. Or perhaps deep down I have already made a decision that I am trying to mask with the "giving him time" thing. :|

    I felt like a roach when I watched his collection. It made me feel so undesirable and things around us trigger those feelings in me - his presence sometimes is enough for me to feel out of place. I need to remember that his doings do not have anything to do with me.
     
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  9. i_wanna_get_better1

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    Here is a good resource for having a confrontation (verbal or written). Feel free to share it with us and we'll give you feedback.
     
  10. cecilig

    cecilig Fapstronaut

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    Wonderful! Thank you so much!
     
  11. cecilig

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    Thank you Jolie, it does seem like I have made a decision already, uh? I want to be fair. Plus, I do not want to trash another relationship like if it's nothing. I am afraid to wait it out and then find out years down the road that his addition has only escalated and is even worse than now. He keeps emotions hidden very well - like his childhood abuse, very well hidden too - years of being emotionally abused by his mother... I am sure it was a contributing factor of his shyness and at the same time was the subconscious outlet for him to try this kind of scape. He needs therapy. I will search to see what we can find in this area. Going to therapy will be proof that he is looking for a long time solution.
     
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  12. Kenzi

    Kenzi Fapstronaut

    If you are looking for other ways to establish Boundaries, my Thread "A New Hope" has things me and my SO do to rebuild our relationship.
    If you want to work on your relationship, he needs to work on his PA.
    Established Boundaries and Consequences are important for moving forward and healing. For both of you.
     
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