What about masturbation without porn???

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Deleted Account, Jul 10, 2018.

  1. So today i relapsed but it was without porn, i was on 24th day and the urges today were unbearable so i decided to release the tension, i noticed that my mind was really craving for the porn like never before, it was craving for the dopamine fix so i kind of masturbated to kill that urge for porn, and what i noticed is that after masturbation i didn't feel that cloud of guilt,shame and depression like i would feel after watching porn for an hour straight. I was doing it for a minute and i orgasmed but i wasn't fantasizing at all, it was just to sensation. My question now is how does this affect my reboot, i noticed a lot of benefits from staying away from porn. Will i lose some of those benefits now? Because in my opinion porn is the real problem here, it's not masturbation.
     
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  2. Bad_hombre

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    I also have the same doubt. I didn't masturbate for 1 month and I couldn't get my mind out of sex after that the situation got unbearable and the urges kept coming back after a couple of hours. I couldn't see a woman without thinking about sex. I'm back to masturbation it keeps my mind out of porn as I understand.
     
  3. JJackson

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    I don't know if I can trust myself in that regard. I've been suspicious that I'm rationalizing aspects of my addiction now you're confirming it. I have no idea how I'm gonna beat the strong urges I want to spend some time abroad to see if I can get a new frame of mind.
     
  5. JJackson

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    For me it was just the understanding that I wasn't really making progress when I continued to MO that helped me to stop it all completely.

    Just the realization that I was 77 days in yet felt the same through the entire thing meanwhile im seeing guys on here like "Wow, my life has gotten so much better now that im getting clean" and they're only like 25-50 days in.

    Even then once I stopped everything I was relapsing more frequently but I just kept pushing and pushing and now im here.
     
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  6. Bad_hombre

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    Perhaps you got other issues to work on because even masturbating and relapsing from time to time I still feel a lot better than when I was a heavy user. I had a combination of anemia, depression, anxiety and addiction these 4 are great energy drainers. Once I got rid of depression things got a lot better, so I developed the strength to fight the other 3. When your energy is getting drained by many sources it is too hard to improve. Try to find the major source of energy draining, if it's your case, and fix it first.

    You should be feeling great if your problem was only porn, In my opinion.
     
  7. JJackson

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    PMO isn't my only problem but its the source of a lot of other problems or at least worsened them.

    Again, during the 77 days I felt like shit mostly but this time when I've actually stayed clean of everything I've felt better. My anxiety and depression lessened, I had some level of self confidence and love. My mind just felt better in every way possible, a lot that I can't really put into words, just better.

    It didn't exactly last because withdrawal hit me but still, I feel the rays of sunshine from time to time which never happened when I kept MOing. Plus all this good stuff started around day 38 not even close to 70.

    Im sure it varies from person to person as to how much MO hinders them but still, I feel its better to not do it. Its still half of the equation that you used to get dopamine.

    *edit* I think the cause of me feeling worse while MOing was because its not satisfying the addiction fully but at the same time I wasn't getting clean fully, so it was just this shitty limbo state of both sides losing. Thats why I felt great after the full relapse, because the addiction finally got what it wanted in full.
     
  8. Bad_hombre

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    And your depression and anxiety lessened to a manageable degree? My depression disappeared before learning about the mess caused by porn, but my anxiety still causes me some problems. Anxiety makes me much less functional I can't wait to get rid of it.
     
  9. Ra's Al Ghul

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    Unfortunately it's still not good. It's like Lays potato chips, 'you can't have just one'. One wank leads to wanting more. Then you're doing it at work and school.
     
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  10. bravastan

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    Right now you're still trying to recover from your addiction, this can take a while and certainly way more than 24 days.
    In this recovery masturbation will slow the progress of rewiring the brain.
    If you shouldn't masturbate at all in your life is another topic, I would argue that it has it benefits. I would not say that it's helpful while trying to recover.
    Having issues of wanting sexual experiences and learning how to deal with it are two of the key aspects of the NoFap program.
     
  11. JJackson

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    I can't really accurately tell if it disappeared or not because of how much of a rollercoaster shit became as withdrawal hit me but I definitely had days where I felt 1000% times better than I normally would. Like I remember getting to the end of the day and having a moment where I remember that I have anxiety. Without a doubt though it'll definitely lessen to some extent when you get clean. Studies have proved that the addiction absolutely makes these things worse and they can even be caused by it.
     

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