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What do I do? Letter of wisdom ps it’s dead on

Discussion in 'Partner Support' started by Psalm27:1my light, Jan 24, 2022.

  1. Psalm27:1my light

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  2. Trobone

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    I'm sure some people can relate with the post.

    However from a man's point of view who HAS made major changes and IS continuing to work at bettering himself - the implication that if your husband watched porn he's going to molest your kids, give you cancer and physically beat you up and never be a father is a bit of the slippery slope argument.

    It's like saying if you smoked marijuana in the past it's safe to assume you're going to be cooking meth in your bathtub.

    trauma is of course real, and for some people walking away is better, but the assumption that there is no ability for people to change or grow and that everyone escalates to hookers and pedophilia seems a bit extreme.
     
  3. Psalm27:1my light

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    It isn’t saying all men will escalate to that degree. It’s saying prepare yourself for lies, deception, ongoing trauma and pain . Look at the men on here married but can’t kick their escort or sex chatting. I’ve never ever been worried about our finances. My husband would not spend money on porn. Could he eventually escalate to that? I believe so. The problem with addiction is just because you haven’t escalated to that doesn’t mean you won’t ever or that others haven’t. One of the issues my husband first had with the saa meetings was the number of men whose addiction was “ so much worse”. Men in prison, people bankrupt, etc. I think telling someone the worse case scenario is better than “ hey he might not escalate if your lucky” .
     
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  4. Trobone

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    You're right - she does have very carefully placed wording to make it seem like she's not promising your husband will escalate from looking at porn to raping your child - she simply says it's an almost certainly and very likely.


    If you marry him now, here’s what I can *almost certainly* guarantee for your future.
    - live in constant fear that he may act out pornographic fantasies with your girlfriends or on your children.
    - flee for safety if/when he DOES act out those fantasies on your children.
    - develop a mysterious chronic illness, cancer, or autoimmune condition.
    If you choose to stay, if you choose to marry him despite what you’ve discovered, you are altering the trajectory of your next several decades of life, to very likely include a daily existence of deception, domestic violence, sexual abuse, betrayal, adultery, fraud, litigation abuse, and trauma for the next generation.



    In my SAA group (which is relatively small, 4-7 people depending on the week) we have someone who has HIV from a prostitute, someone who lost jobs due to using work trips to meet up with women instead of work, people who lost marriages and contact with kids, and more. We have people like me who have never physically touched a woman, but have still hurt those around us and want to make lifelong changes. We have people who struggle with sobriety on a daily basis and others who have been sober from inner circle behaviors for 7+ years. We all have the same base addiction, men and women, just different manifests. But I would never tell someone that because they're in that room that they're more likely to beat their wife or rape a child.
     
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    I agree to an extent. My husband has never acted out irl either. He’s never ever been physically abusive, never called me names, or hurt our children. To the degree that I was shocked when I joined betrayal trauma groups because many of these women have lived that life. Far, far more than I ever would’ve guessed. Many found out years later the true extent of what their addicted spouse had done. Some found out after their husband died suddenly. How many men do you see on the forum alone who are leading a duplicitous double life? A lot. One forum, of people trying to get help, imagine the sheer numbers who aren’t even trying. Because up until 3 years ago, my husband and I were in the “ignorant of this addiction group.” The problem with addiction is you’ve escalated to places you never thought you would go. So it’s really just on a spectrum and no one knows where they could end up. I will say this “ constant fear “ is something every single betrayed partner I’ve met has felt and or lived with for a very long time. We have been lied to, betrayed, gas lit, and damaged by our partner in the most painful way possible. That is a certainty. I wound never tell someone who’s already married to leave unless their life was in danger, but I will always tell an unmarried person to run as far and as fast as they can from and addict.
     
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    The fear and anxiety and checking phones and such - makes perfect sense. Just the link you sent listed specific things that she claimed were "amost certainties". That's different.
     
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    I read the post and I'm really try to analyze it as i'm not myself, but it is hard.
    The last part says " He can get clean, find healing, and become healthy and whole — without you" and this is what I'm doing now.
    I also think that there is the way of "He can get clean, find healing, and become healthy and whole with you" , this will be hard, of course, probably it needs therapy as singles and as couple as well , set new rules, set new boundaries etc etc....but no one can tell me this can't happen, walking away is probably the "easy" way tho for both of you.
    I destroyed my relationship with my addiction , she was THE girl, she has been in my mind my partner, my lover, the mom of my kids, my buddy, the last person will hold my hand before leaving this world....she was everything.
    Now, she left and I'm dealing with the addiction and with the grief. Probably the grief itself is where i'm getting all my energies in order to reboot. But , i would do it with the same strength even if she would had stay, because the only reason i fucked all up (hurting myself almost irreparably as well) was because i didn't know i had a goddam addiction. I still would do it for myself first, but then i would do it for her because i couldn't bare to heart her again, i couldn't forgive me to see that pain i saw in her face again and i'm sure with sweat, tears and work i would also be the cure to the problem i created.
     
  8. Psalm27:1my light

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    I’m not sure why you think walking away is easy, do you think any partner signs up to be lied to and cheated on? They walk away because they have been destroyed and they want a healthy life. Very few sex addicts get clean and in long term recovery. I wish I had found out before 10 years in and two kids. I would’ve left that minute. Just because you didn’t know it was an addiction didn’t stop you from cheating and lying. You knew that would hurt her but that didn’t stop you. Addiction doesn’t care who it hurts. Have you been completely clean since she left and you discovered it’s an addiction? Because hurting her, would never be enough to get you clean. You think it would, but you only get clean for yourself, it never lasts if it’s for someone else.
     
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    With "easy" i meant that it's easier to do it together, i think that it would way more complicate do it as a couple , since they are the both side to recover/fix, plus bound the two processes together; but still i believe it is possible.
    I still analyzing why a did what i did and how or if i could avoid it, so i'm not holding any unbeatable truth here. I unfortunately always got back in my addiction in order to copy with loneliness and when my self-esteem would be beaten up. During our relationship for various reason i got at that point and i reacting by MO (at that time the idea of having an addiction was not even in my sight); i did it as stress-relieve-valve since i wasn't aware it would hurt anyone and i could manage it. Well yes, i was way wrong, the one time thing, became weekly and then i definitely got lost in the addiction.
    I blame on myself and only on myself, but i still have my own certainty i would avoid it if i knew to what it could lead to.
    Yes, since she left and i discovered it i'm clean, for me now there are no excuses, now i have the knowledge of it and there are not second chance for me. Now for me it is reboot or die, no third options.
    For me the initial fuel to get strength from during my (still new and small) recovery has been the idea of being able to be able to knock at her door as a new man, as a better and different man. Now I'm slowly getting more focus on myself and try to do it for myself, even if my deep love for her makes everything more difficult.
    However this has been a path that i have to do because she left and i'm sure i would do it even with her here on my side.
    I'm also guilty to , initially, got angry at her because she left but now i start to believe she doesn't owned me anything and she was free to decide her way; again, unfortunately in a different direction than mine and again i'm sorry she didn't have enough faith in me (Understandable, i even know that!).
    Yes, i still have the hope to get her back but i won't focus my recovery on that and i won't feed false hopes, but the loves is still there and i will have to live with it, just learn how to live with it on my shoulder.
     
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