What is your opinion about masturbation (without porn)?

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  1. thinking_differently

    thinking_differently Fapstronaut

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    You cannot have freedom for everybody in the P industry.
    Even in this current scenario of Legalised P, if you go to any random P website, you will see a HUMONGOUS amount of Illegal Videos made.

    Now I won’t quote a number, But everyone here knows how much of Forceful Slavery and Trafficking exists in this “Legalised” Industry.

    And this is just the surface web.
    What can you do about the Dark Web? It’s much much worse. There’ll be things which you can’t imagine.

    At least if it is made illegal, The Stuff on the Surface Web can be stopped, greatly reducing the number of Viewers, which will be a severe blow to this industry.
    Illegal, as in the way multiple websites showcasing movies are taken down in violation of Copyright Acts.

    And of course, there’s Torrent. That’s still there!
     
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  2. On the path

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    What is with all of these "waste of energy" comments? The only people that should be worried about wasting energy are strongmen, bulking body builders, or pregnant women. Why in the hell are so many people worried about "wasting energy?"

    In my opinion, most westerners NEED to waste more energy -- They have too much energy in storage as is.
     
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  3. StarRider

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    Because you are on a forum about self-improvement, not self-pleasure.
     
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  4. On the path

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    Who said anything about pleasure? I asked why people are worried about wasting energy?
     
  5. Tbh, i am bulking into body building and i want to stay productive ...and yes westerners need to waste more energy, except they need to waste it to more useful stuff rather than masturbating. Wasting energy on things that actually do bring you some benefits in exchange, meanwhile with masturbation you're wasting your energy in vain.

    The thing with westerners is that their energy, attention and spirit is hijacked by instant gratifications that bring no sustainability and real achievement in the long term. That's why i am saying its a waste of energy, if you want to jerk off, go ahead i just speak from my own experience that masturbation is overrated.
     
  6. Searcher78

    Searcher78 Fapstronaut

    @thinking_differently Thank you for your answer.
    No. On the vast majority of legal websites you won't. Why do you think that?
    That's not true. Please give us the numbers (in relative context) and the sources so we can verify your claim.
    Prohibition would definitely help illegal porn sites on the dark net, because lots of user would be driven there from the currently legal sites.

    I really think the arguments you present don't justify a total prohibition of porn.
     
  7. On the path

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    I'm bulking right now, too. Should be Athlean's next video title "Covid-19 Is Killing Your Gains!" So, yea, even though summer's not over I can understand bulking right now.

    I will agree with that statement though. People sit on their asses for extended periods watching TV, or playing video games, movies, etc. (or in our cases masturbate). I was just surprised at how many people threw up the phrase "Waste of energy" as if being in a caloric surplus is a positive thing for the average person.
     
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  8. mr.incognito

    mr.incognito Fapstronaut

    Masturbation without porn is just as bad as doing it to porn. The only way anyone could argue that it's less so is because it's so boring for most men that they won't do it, or, even if they did, there's a lower chance of becoming addicted to it vs when using the tool of porn - a tool used for intensifying the experience of masturbation.

    One argument against masturbation, besides the fact that it harms most, if not all, men mentally and physically, is that it is sub-optimal. There isn't one benefit that you can claim masturbation has that something else doesn't do better. If you want to live the best life possible, as all healthy and sane people want to do, there is always an option other than masturbation which will be better. Can't sleep? Stretch. Feel anxious? Move your body. Want sex? Find a woman. And on and on...

    One of the arguments of people who are pro-masturbation is that it can prevent prostate cancer. Get this: they are actually arguing that not masturbating may cause death. But if someone said that masturbation can cause death, many people would laugh at them, but it's actually true if you do it to an extreme degree; whereas, the opposite extreme of not masturbating ever, can not cause immediate death, nor does it cause death - and no, I don't need a study to know that.

    Some people try to pose as being purely logical, then reject arguments for the negative effects of masturbation for being anecdotal, and subjective, but then their main argument for it is that it's pleasurable. A fact which, even people who are anti masturbation, like me, know, yet still we are not swayed by a mindless emotion - for that is the argument of a fapper. Sometimes doing good feels bad. Sometimes doing bad feels good. Alcohol feels good, but it has detrimental effects; but, responsible adults try to maximize its good effects while trying to minimize its harmful effects, yet it remains that alcohol always causes harm, just less harm if you do it responsibly. A little fapping is never good, just a little bad.

    Fapping was equated with eating at one point, in that it's healthy in moderation but harmful in excess. If this is the case then show that there is a minimum daily allowance of fapping that a healthy man requires, a point below which his body and mental faculties decline, and beyond which he risks death from fap starvation. But, perhaps, there will be some fools of the future who will argue that fapping is not harmful, and that men who get negative effects from it are merely allergic to it's practice, as some are allergic to shell fish or other foods.

    Fapping was equated with exercise. So lets take three men. They will train 6 days a week and rest on the other. They will exercise for one hour. One man will jog and do calisthenics, one will weight train and do cardio, and one man will fap. Let's get back to them after a year and see who has had the best improvement in health.

    Another thing pro masturbators like to argue is that we produce so much sperm and semen that it is in effect worthless. Would they say the same thing about your blood? You actually can bleed a few drops every day with hardly any effect, but I've never seen this disrespectful argument applied to blood. It would be too foolish. And losing blood isn't a pleasurable experience; however, some people, deluded and perverted with ideas of vampirism, like to drink blood or have their blood drunk, but shall we not judge these perverted fools for being the perverted fools that they are?
     
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  9. thinking_differently

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    I did not say a Legal Website. I said any “Random” Website.
    The legalisation of this concept of P only motivates illegal websites. They can keep being illegal like that, until serious Legal Action is taken on them, and then they always have an opportunity to pay some money and get it legalised.

    Impossible. How do you expect me to give you, in a relative context? I’m no expert on it. I don’t have enough data across enough websites!


    Also, all of today’s youth has access to this “Legalised” Industry.
    Do you think it’s a good idea to shape their character to fuck other’s spouses, And perform Biologically Dangerous Activities!

    You read many posts on NoFap itself! They don’t Get aroused when They are with a girl! They don’t! They want her to do weird activities they seen on Porn! Do you think it’s a good idea to choke a person? People die due to choking!

    I’m sorry for going too personal on this by saying “You”, it just came out informal, I don’t wanna edit this again.
     
  10. Searcher78

    Searcher78 Fapstronaut

    Hello @thinking_differently.
    Don't worry about the "you". ;) Having an honest exchange of ideas is what we want. And I think we have that.

    I don't have the numbers either. But without any firm statistics it's hard to objectively estimate the actual extend of the problem.
    Your worries about the subject are understandable, and I share share them with you partially.
    But prohibition is a huge step that should not be taken without solid statistical evidence.
    Until then my personal opinion is that right way to engage those problems is gathering numbers and educate people so they can make their own decision.
     
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  11. thinking_differently

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    Me as a Youth,
    I strongly Condemn Porn, I have left it for 4-5 months now.
    And Also, MOing around uselessly in no way Helps me be better, only worsens me and therefore, I stand firm that MOing is a waste.

    This is the 2nd or 3rd thread in this very Month about the topic and it always ends up in 2 categories of people Arguing(this thread’s much better lol, @StarRider Knows;)) Leaving the person who asked the question in utter confusion. I know that’s not the case here.
     

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