What is your opinion about masturbation (without porn)?

Not exactly, just observe. Why to fall in the same pit again?

 

Yes it will.

 

The majority of the population are pmo addicts. They just aren’t actively trying to stop it.

 

You and @FellatiousD are the type of goofs that worship corrupt science as God. Apparently personal experience that is also often shared, isn’t enough to justify avoiding a behaviour. Explain to me how someone might profit from funding studies on the harms of masturbation. You do realize that’s the only way scientific studies take place right? They need to be funded. They aren’t funded unless the company funding it has an agenda to fulfill. It’s pretty much common sense.

 

What is wrong with masturbation? Every time I ask this question or ask you to back up your claims, you ignore me.

 

Then why are there people who masturbate who are healthy, non-porn addicts?

 

Well put about the blame shifting.. people love to feel like victims. Though in a way we are still victims to this over sexualized society. The power lies in that it doesn’t matter if we’re victims or not, it’s our responsibility to deal with our problems accordingly.

I couldn’t agree more with most of what you said in this thread. Only when people accept that they have a masturbation addiction, not a porn addiction, will they begin to get a hold of themselves. People love to avoid the inconvenient truths in life. They justify their behaviour in the most ridiculous ways.. shouting “where’s the science.” It’s sad.

 

What male would want to lose their semen, seed, strength through jerking off? I know guys I have worked with in the blue collar trades who somehow consider sex of any type to be a badge of masculinity; the insult of go **** yourself, as if "scoring" is an accomplishment. For me taking advantage of a woman through sex is worse than jerking off, and jerking off is unhealthy and a loss of vitality. Women should be treated properly and loved, and they want gentle loving affection and love making, not feeling like they are being used. However massaging the scrotum with essential and organic oils (lavender, organic olive oil) can strengthen the male genitals if done in a therapeutic way. I can see some merit in tantric practices if the objective is to strengthen the body, chakras, whatever, not vainly use it for dissipation.

 

You don't prove anything you say, which is why no one should believe you. You just spam your assertions without backing them up. You don't care about the truth.

 

It’s a waste of energy, loss of immunity, wastage of the food we eat, loss of focus from work and goals, ever-lasting tiredness, physical weakness! All for what? 5 seconds of pleasure? 12 waking hours of day in all this misery for 5 seconds of pleasure? No!

If you disagree with the fact that makes a person feel physically tired All the time, then my friend, you are fooling and deceiving yourself.

 

Shakespeare said as much, I was trying to remember one of his poems which referred to sexual enervation, this other passage came to mind:

What win I, if I gain the thing I seek?
A dream, a breath, a froth of fleeting joy:
Who buys a minute's mirth to wail a week?
Or sells eternity to get a toy?
For one sweet grape who will the vine destroy?
Or what fond beggar, but to touch the crown,
Would with the sceptre straight be strucken down?
https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/1928321-the-rape-of-lucrece

 

Masturbation causes ever-lasting tiredness and weakness? What is your evidence for this? How is it a waste of energy and food? Why are you only focusing on the negative aspects of masturbation? Why not acknowledge, for example, that masturbation is a form of exercise which burns calories? You are biased, my friend. I am not. I have a problem with porn and masturbation but I am not stupid enough to make one-sided arguments and completely reject the idea of objectivity just because of my personal beliefs.

 

Nice logic. Why are there people who eat McDonald’s and are still “healthy” and not junk food addicts?

You relapse over and over again and then you comment that masturbation isnt bad. What have you proven here? That some people who masturbate arent porn addicts? Could you show me the study that proves that? Please back up your claim.

 

You have to be kidding me... a form of exercise? Wow. You're seriously gonna have to do better than that if you expect to make yourself look like anything other than a fool. What other positives come from masturbation?

 

It seems You have bunked all your biology classes.

When you exercise, more blood is pumped to your muscles(hands, legs, core body), the pressure of blood and the movement helps the lymph in your lymph vessels move. You are breaking down your muscles, so that they can regrow, regrow stronger.

When you nut off, none of this is happening. All blood is diverted to your genitals and muscles are subverted. It dosen’t help the lymphatic system in any way.
Do you have the slightest idea about the pressure that needs to be developed in the vascular spaces down in your D*** to expel semen?

I don’t think you would ever have noticed: After exercise, there’s almost equal pressure and Volume of air exiting both nostrils as you exhale, which is considered the optimum state. When you Fap, it disrupts your breath.

To prove my point:
Do you ever work out? Try doing that, more intensively, and after Nutting. I dare you.

 

This is a false equivalency. You need to prove why masturbation is inherently harmful.

Stop shaming me for relapsing, that has nothing to do with this conversation, and I take offense to it.

Furthermore, I have not been asked to prove anything. You and @StarRider are claiming that masturbation is inherently harmful or wrong. I reject that. Stop being a coward and shifting the burden of proof.
My point is that addic

Gladly. Are you denying that moving your arm up and down doesn't burn calories? Here's another positive - masturbation causes pleasure. Pleasure is good. Here's another: masturbation can reduce stress or perceived stress. It can build intimacy in a romantic relationship. It can help people understand their sexuality. Want me to keep going? Stop being so biased.

 

Okay! We count this for now. There are plenty other ways to reduce stress.

Bullshit! Do you sit down in front of your girlfriend, fap and say, wow! This is romantic!

 

I'm talking about masturbating your partner. Oral sex is good for that too.

 

Dude, you really have to get over this whole notion that you using terms like "false equivalency" and "burden of proof" makes you look intelligent. If your'e going to write it off as a false equivalency than you need to explain why you think so, otherwise you just look stupid. It has everything to do with this conversation, because the person arguing in favour of masturbation happens to be the one thats a slave to it. I think you're the one thats biased.

No, im not denying that wanking yourself off may burn a few calories, and I think @thinking_differently did a great job of explaining why simply burning calories doesn't make something a worthwhile exercise. Pleasure is good? If i get pleasure from injecting heroine, is that good? You look absolutely ridiculous and i know you don't actually think masturbation is healthy, but you have this complex going on where you feel the need to play devil's advocate on every thread as if it showcases some form of intelligence. It doesn't.

We're clearly talking about masturbation of one's own genitals, and you brought up hand jobs to support your argument.. talk about a false equivalency. Help people understand their sexuality? What the fuck does that even mean? Yes, when i first masturbated i understood that friction on my genitals leads to ejaculation. Thats about the extent that it helps you "understand your sexuality." Are we 12 years old again?