What is your opinion about masturbation (without porn)?

i am glad to say i am not as lazy as i used to be. I can now work a full day without being lazy, but if i relaspe now i would lose everything right people?

 

I feel a need to call out bad debate tactics when I see them, because people get away with using these tactics far too often and that's how invalid conclusions are formed. Soon enough, you have a whole group of people believing things without proper reasoning.

So the problem with the McDonalds analogy is that we know that these foods contain substances that are unhealthy for humans. We (at least, I) do not know that masturbation is unhealthy - as you are asserting. I must have asked you to prove this at least 5 times now and you still haven't. You prefer to attack my character, telling me my arguments are bad because I relapse a lot, etc.

No, this reasoning is flawed. My character has nothing to do with what is true and what is not. To imply that because I relapse and have a negative experience with masturbation, then masturbation is harmful is like saying "if you drink so much water that you die, then drinking water must be harmful." How do you not see this?

Yes. That does not imply that heroine is healthy. You keep making these comparison between masturbation and substances which are known to cause negative health effects. You still need to prove that masturbation is harmful.

I think masturbation can be healthy, and it can also be harmful in excessive amounts. The key concept here is quantity. If you were to tell me that compulsive masturbation is unhealthy, I would agree. But you and @StarRider seem to think that masturbation in any amount is inherently harmful, and causes addiction 100% of the time. This is just not true, and I need you to acknowledge this.

 

I was never under the impression that we were talking exclusively about single-player masturbation. As far as I'm concerned, I was working within the definition when I said that, and I even posted 3 dictionary definitions to show my justification for saying that. Masturbation usually comes before sex in young adults and a lot of us do it subconsciously before we even hit puberty. One reason for this is to help us understand what is pleasurable and what is not, so that when we are with a partner we will be able to have a better experience. And when I referenced mutual masturbation, I wasn't referring to hand jobs. Here is some data I pulled from a google search:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/200903/the-most-important-sexual-statistic
"Only 25 percent of women are consistently orgasmic during vaginal intercourse."

This is a problem. However, females can receive orgasm much easier through manual stimulation from their partner (fingering, using a vibrator), which resolves this issue. That gives a massive argument in favor of masturbation. My point in bringing this up is for you to acknowledge that masturbation can be done in healthy ways. If you agree then we can end this conversation.

 

I think calling me a goof just means you lost the argument, resorting to name calling is unnecessary and tells me you have nothing left to support your view.

you need to remember that it is your point of view, and i have mine. Learn to respect that.

And i critique research as part of my occupation in a healthcare setting, so i do have a working knowledge of how research works thank you.

and finally ‘Personal experience that is often shared’ is exactly what is wrong with your opinion, it brings everything into sharp contrast. You have just described a subjective experience, not objectively based in fact. You are inherently biased due to to your experience and are unable to see beyond that. If you could, your reply would be more balanced and frankly more polite.

 

I think complaining that i called you a name means you lost the argument, complaining about name calling while avoiding the substance of the comment is unnecessary, and tells me you have nothing left to support your view.

It seems you missed my point in its entirety. Perhaps you were too busy crying about the name i called you? I never said I'm not biased, and i don't think bias is a negative thing, nor do I think subjective experience is useless as you seem to suggest. Now if you could respond to the actual substance of my previous comment, and answer the question i asked you, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise don't bother replying.

 

Let's not forget about female practices which are just as pervasive according to statistics. Probably the female orgasm is less enervating and weakening than with the male as the male lose a vital substance that the body puts a premium on while the women do not lose such a substance.

 

Let me give you a tip, avoiding questions and writing off arguments in the name of "burden of proof" and "false equivalency" is a bad debate tactic. How ironic.

It doesn't matter whether we know something is unhealthy or not. You made the argument that there are people that masturbate that are apparently healthy, which is not exactly measurable btw, just like there are people who eat unhealthy food and still appear to be healthy. Therefore, just because some people appear to excel in spite of something, does not mean that thing is unproblematic. Hopefully that helps you understand your poor logic.

You made the argument that pleasure is a benefit you get from masturbation. Pleasure can be derived from all sorts of unhealthy things, such as injecting heroine. Therefore, pleasure on its own, is not a benefit, as it often comes with negative consequences. Again, it doesnt matter whats known to cause negative health effects or not. We know that pleasure as an isolated component, can not be a justification or benefit from performing an act as a whole.

What solid proof do you have to make the claim that "this is just not true." So far, you listed nothing but absurd benefits that result from masturbation. Until you can come up with a legitimate benefit, we'll have to assume that masturbation at most, is neutral in its effects. I'll tell you what is absolutely certain, all masturbation that ends in ejaculation results in the expulsion of semen. Science knows that semen is composed of a variety of minerals. Automatically, thats a loss of minerals, an important one being zinc. That loss will either had to be made up for, or will simply result in a chronic deficiency if not adequately compensated for.

 

I looked up articles on zinc and loss of male semen/seed, and it looks like the science is somewhat ambiguous. However zinc is one mineral I take as a quality chelate with copper which it interacts with in balance. White spots on the finger nails can be indicative of zinc deficiency.

I wonder why I almost always feel sick to my stomach after taking a zinc supplement. I remember female porn actress who complained that swallowing male semen made her sick to her stomach. No one should feel compelled to do anything like that which causes revulsion.

I just see the male organs as an extension of all the other muscles, when I am physically working out a lot I am more likely to have an erection at night.

I remember a radio minister who when people called in on the subject of masturbation said that it was only a sin if you were acting on a lust which is a stupid thing for him to have said. He ended up disgraced for an end of the world prediction which left a lot of people high and dry.

Another minister who wanted to talk about "masturbation" was left with a silent and stunned audience in his church. It is pretty close to being a verboten subject in large crowds.

 

Man, at least set your Batch appropriately before you say Jerking off is fine.
You’re self contradicting.

I withdraw from this “Debate”

 

omg, half of the comments above are just inappropriate, why am I reading this?))

 

What the fuck are you even talking about?

That's great. The problem is, you have been tasked with showing that masturbation is unhealthy, which you have failed to do thus far.

You are not going to get away with saying that pleasure is not a benefit. And there is no way to isolate pleasure, that makes no sense. Pleasure is the result of some action or process. If pleasure is the main reason people use heroin, and there is no benefit to pleasure, then why do people use heroin at all? We have agreed that heroin is unhealthy. Can you show the same for masturbation?

I don't need solid proof, all I need is one counter-example in the form of someone who has masturbated and not become addicted to it. Do you deny that those people exist?

Assume that it's neutral? You and @StarRider have been assuming that it's purely negative this whole time, and now you're just going to flip flop?

This is your main argument? Just from google, it seems that the average volume of ejaculate contains 3% of the daily recommended intake of zinc, or (11x0.03) = 0.33 mg. Here, let's use sesame seeds as an example.

Source: https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3070/2
These numbers are from 1 tablespoon of sesame seeds. So only one half of a tablespoon (1.5 teaspoons) of sesame seeds would be more than enough to recover the value lost from masturbation. I also calculated that about a quarter of an ounce of rice would compensate this loss as well. Do you have any other reasons why masturbation is unhealthy? By the way, you lose more minerals through sweating:

Source: https://www.roadbikerider.com/sweat-mineral-losses-antioxidants-bicycling/

 

Are you talking about my relapse counter? Yeah, it's the longest streak I've had in a month, I actually need to update my title to "spider goat." Thanks for reminding me.

 

Naah man. You got me wrong. I’m sorry , seems you are offended.
I mean the words in white that appear inside a rhombus of red background beside your counter. It says ‘No porn MASTURBATION AND ORGASM’
I’m sorry again if you are offended. I would never do that to anyone.

 

Your counter example was already nullified. This argument can no longer continue if you lack the brain cells to understand that. You go ahead and continue to relapse like you do and let me know if your sesame seeds make up for how you feel afterwards.

 

Ok cool. Well let me explain - just because I am defending masturbation does not mean that I think I should personally do it. I am still avoiding it for obvious, personal reasons.

 

Wait, there isn't a single person who masturbates who isn't addicted? Wow. Also, using feelings isn't really a good way to win a logical argument. I might feel bad about eating broccoli, but that says nothing about whether broccoli is healthy. Also, feeling bad after masturbating is not a trait endemic to masturbation, and you are actually wrong to assume that anyone feels bad after doing so. In fact, it sounds like you are projecting your own feelings onto others. Excuse you.

 

You have showcased little ability to think logically. As I said before, consider questioning why you feel the need to play devils advocate constantly. It does nothing but make you look incredibly stupid.

 

Leave it dude. He won’t get it.
This is just wasting the storage space of this website. There are already tons of threads about this topic, so this is Redundant.

 

Every time I make an argument, you dodge it and attack me personally. The one exception was where you said something about zinc.

 

Are you referring to me?