What is your opinion about masturbation (without porn)?

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  1. Quitterrr

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    Same
     
  2. StarRider

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    And most important: Reinforcing porn addiction.
     
  3. johnsoe

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    As long as no P is involved, I’m of the opinion that it’s fine.
     
  4. StarRider

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    There is always porn involved with masturbation, including mental porn.
     
  5. johnsoe

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    Not true, men have masturbated for eons without P.
     
  6. StarRider

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    Sorry, but porn has existed since humans made cave paintings.

    BTW: Continuing MO without P makes your addiction worse. You know that?
     
  7. These are not universal traits of masturbation. These, I would argue, are traits of people who masturbate excessively. And not a single person on this forum supports compulsive behavior, myself included.
     
  8. Prince6543

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    Without porn, you can masturbate as much as you want. Although over doing it it might have physical effects like fatigue but not any mental effect
     
  9. StarRider

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    Only if you don't care about Erectile Dysfunction and never having sex again.

    It has lots of mental effects including causing porn addiction, (social) anxiety, depression and all kinds of other disorders.
     
  10. Quitterrr

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    You forgot the part where excessive masturbation
    Is still addictive
     
  11. Excessive masturbation *can be* addictive, and there is no official diagnosis for porn or masturbation addiction - keep that in mind. I believe most people who have researched this issue would agree that you can masturbate or watch porn compulsively. And as far as I'm concerned, that's enough for now. Compulsion is no good either.
     
  12. Prince6543

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    1. Read again. I said WITHOUT PORN.
    2. Anxiety and depression are just consequences of porn overdose.
    3. When you masturbate without porn, you won't be able to over masturbate. Because it's not that much fun. You will only masturbate to release the sexual tension in your body. So ED is very unlikely
     
  13. Wave Surfer 2.0

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    Having sex with oneself is unnatural. I think it's as simple as that. Dopamine and oxytocin are released during sexual activity to desire and bond to another person's body, not to one's own hand and mental/visual images of sex/naked bodies. Sexing with your own hand/with a screen messes up the natural homeostasis in our brain chemistry that is designed for interacting with human mates. Things that are unnatural will eventually lead to problems. Be it addiction or other physical/mental problems. Prioritizing momentary pleasure over future problems is stupid. It would give me pleasure to eat pizza and chocolate every day, but my body wasn't designed to each such foods so I will only have them once in a while to avoid getting fat and sick. But that's just like my opinion, man. *faps away*
     
  14. Wave Surfer 2.0

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    How exactly do you plan on being sexually aroused without visually imagining sex or a sexually attractive mate? Do you look at the ceiling thinking 'damn that ceiling looks so sexy right now'? Or think what you will have for dinner while sexually stimulating yourself? Sexual desire and arousal are designed to physically bond with sexually attractive mates.
     
  15. No it's not.
    What are you talking about? Men get sexually aroused all the time, for seemingly no reason. I wake up in a state of arousal almost every single morning, as I'm sure many other people do. I don't have to visualize anything for that. Your arguments are just so bad, man. And stop saying "design," this is not a religious discussion. How many times do I have to spell this out? Let's take "design" to mean "function." The function of arousal is to make people want to have sex with mates. One side-effect of that is that sometimes people get aroused when there are no mates to be found. Thus, masturbation.
     
  16. StarRider

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    Masturbating without a stimulus (including porn) is the worst thing you can actually do to yourself. This the greatest way to reinforce your addiction while killing your entire sexual health forever.

    They are the result of masturbating: to a screen, to naked neighbors or to mental images. Doesn't matter.

    It's actually what causes ED, because you completely disconnect orgasm from sexual stimulus. As a result you will only get hard by stroking your dick with a death grip and by nothing else anymore. Congratulations, you will never have sex with a live human again!
     
  17. Wave Surfer 2.0

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    LOL Since when can we reproduce with ourselves? If you can, you are some kind of superhuman :emoji_laughing: where in nature are we supposed to have sex with ourselves and release our precious genetic material inside a tissue where it's wasted? :emoji_hushed:

    Where in religion is "design" used for talking about biological functions?? I'm so confused. I thought we are only talking about biological functions here? Not sure how you would think of dragging religion into this, I am not religious.

    I was talking about arousal in combination with sexual stimulation. So I assume that you can wake up in the morning feeling hungry but then not eventually think of a specific food to eat to satisfy your natural instinct? You really sound like some kind of superhuman. Of course you can start to feel randomly aroused, that doesn't mean that when you start touching yourself, you would indeed be satisfied by looking at your ceiling or think about what you will have for dinner.
     
  18. I thought you were using figurative language to describe masturbation. Obviously you can't have sex with yourself unless your dick is really long. Stop saying things like "supposed to". And stop using nature as a moral predicator. Animals masturbate in nature all the time, humans included. You can't make the utilitarian argument either because sperm production is incredibly fast. If I jerk off, I can usually have another ejaculation within 20 minutes. Are you really going to talk about "wasting sperm" and ignore the fact that the average person has less than 2 kids, and produces 525 billion sperm in his lifetime.

    If you respond to anything in this post, respond to this:
    Why is it so important to save every single ejaculation for sex if the average person only has 1.9 children (in America) and the human population is well over 7.6 billion?

    Are you going to go after people for spitting? That wastes precious water, you know. Why do you care so much about cum?
    Religion has tons of design-based prescriptive claims of what people should do with their bodies. Stop playing dumb.

    Yes you are.

    You dragged religion into the conversation by saying "design." Design implies a designer. Use "function."
    Your attempts to make me look ridiculous are falling flat on their face. Yes, you can wake up in the morning and not know what to eat. This food analogy is so bad, let's just focus on the main argument.
    I have personally jerked off many times without thinking about anything at all. Are you actually going to deny that it's possible to sexually stimulate yourself just for the sheer pleasure of it? What even are these arguments? Who are you lol
     
  19. False promise

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    Believe me, you’re doing a good enough job yourself.
     
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  20. Prince6543

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    You definitely have to fantasise during masturbation to get aroused. No denying that.
    But it's different from porn.
    1. Very first point. As you mentioned above sexually attractive mates. In real life girls are not even 50% attractive of what you see in porn. So when you will fantasize, you will have to fantasize about real life girls that you see around you instead of those porn stars with perfect bodies. This will also help a lot during sex because that body type already arouse you.
    2. You will even reach a point when even the thought that it's te to masturbate will arouse you. That's when you will admit that you don't need porn to masturbate or to arouse yourself.
    3. Rest I cant explain because even I haven't experienced everything (Im just 18). So you just have to try it yourself
    4. Need of porn for arousal is like need of sleeping pills to fall asleep
     
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