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What wrong with communism?

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by S.A.D., Sep 7, 2017.

  1. S.A.D.

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    Im not a hardcore communist but Its teachings dont look as horrible as the media paints it out to be. I understand it got its hate during the cold war but why does it still gather hate in 2017?
     
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  2. I dont know. Has to do with some freedom business haha
     
  3. LEPAGE

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    Communism still gets the hate these days because it still does not work, and never will. This is as true today as it was when the Bolsheviks seized power 100 years ago. One needs only look at the meat grinder that is Venezuela today to see how communism/socialism can turn your country into a living hell for everyone but the people at the top level of government.
     
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  4. Communism. Nice joke.
     
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  5. TheLoneDanger

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    People hate on communism because although the theory itself portrays a utopian society, it has been put into practice countless times throughout history and has proven quite the opposite. For example, more people have been slaughtered under communist rule than any other form of government in known history. There are many other reasons a fairy tale plan doesn't work in the real world, but you'd think the whole death toll thing would suffice as a good enough reason.
     
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  7. Third_Eye

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    Communism is actually what's going on currently in the United States, believe it or not, and has been that way for centuries.
     
  8. Why? Seems more like the opposite
     
  9. Third_Eye

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    Our property was pledge to the government ever since the "birth certificates" were created back in the 1930s. Don't you ever notice that all of your bills, and "title deeds" have your name in all caps. Our names are not spelled in all caps. That all caps name represents our "fictious entity" which is owned by the government, popularly called our "straw-man." Ever since 9/11, there's been wars waged just so the debt slavery system, that we currently have, can be implemented onto the Middle East. 9/11 was an inside job, and it's physically impossible for just one plane to cause a tower to erupt into flames and collapse so easily. Especially with the structure of those twin towers.
     
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  10. Plutonium

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    Communism / socialism - they're both essentially the same thing - is a truly evil politico-economic system that has spectacularly failed each time it has been tried apart from the huge death tolls. Events currently unfolding in Venezuela are only the latest example in a long line of failures.

    Proponents of this ideology are the most shameless people imaginable as each time a country collapses the cry will go up that this was not true communism; if only they'd implemented real communism it would have worked out great. That is a lie of staggering proportions.

    Communist writing is full of the wrongs of the capitalist system but very thin on describing how a communist system would actually function. For example, there is next to nothing describing a communist society in Marx's writings.

    Ludwig von Mises, writing just over 100 years ago in his wonderful book, Socialism, identified the very reason that communism would inevitably fail wherever and whenever it was tried. He explained communism could not work because there is no price information generated in such a society, and a lack of prices makes economic calculation impossible. And without economic calculation a society cannot function, and inevitably becomes impoverished.

    Please don't fall for the siren call of communists.
     
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  11. I've heard about those theories on 9/11, I'm just not enough documented on that to have a proper opinion.
     
  12. Third_Eye

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    The U.S., and all other countries who have the International Bankers debt slavery implemented into their economy, are apart of communism.
     
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  13. Third_Eye

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    Those are not theories, those are facts. They also follow the rules of physics and logic. Theories are what the media portray as "fake news." There's so much proof out there to back up what I'm saying.
     
  14. Plutonium

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    That's nonsense. The global system of fiat currencies is a separate scam. It has next to nothing to do with communism.
     
  15. Third_Eye

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    How about the policy of the PNAC back in September of 2000. Where the U.S. would fight "multiple theatre wars, to regime change, country after country." They want people to fund the military to fight a war for no reason. The government also wanna tax and mortgage everything we own, and give us only PRIVILIGES not RIGHTS. The U.S. government is based on "public policy," not "common law." People even get killed for saying the truth, and people get locked up for the dumbest sh*t. So how is that not like communism?
     
  16. Well, the media portray what you say as "fake news" so that's definitely a theory. I don't necessarily agree with the media on that issue, though. I probably would care more if I was American.
     
  17. Third_Eye

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    Yea, that makes sense. But since I'm American, I definitely care.
     
  18. Plutonium

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    I stopped following 9/11 "Truther" developments almost 10 years ago. At the time I was quite an expert.

    I used to recommended people watch the lecture given by architect, Richard Gage, where he examines both theories to explain how the towers collapsed and compares these theories with the observed facts on the day.

    Not sure if a better summary has been made since, but you really don't need much more information than that one lecture to have an informed opinion.
     
  19. Third_Eye

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    I've done heavy research on 9/11, so I know practically everything about it.
     
  20. Plutonium

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    PNAC was a group of Israeli first neocons attempting to influence US foreign policy. They were not communists.

    All governments want to "tax and mortgage". Marxist theory is right that all political systems involve economic exploitation of the majority by a minority. Tax is one form that exploitation takes making two classes of people: tax-payers up against tax-consumers. That is common to all political systems - never heard the phrase "death and taxes"?

    Powerful people of all stripes and persuasions generally don't like people who threaten their hold on power. Communists don't have a monopoly on this.

    Communism is centered around the public ownership of the means of production. Where is there evidence of that in the US today?
     

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