When is it a mortal sin? (Your opinion)

It seems that most priests recognize that those with a PMO habit may not have full consent of the will when they engage in this sin. For such people it would not be a mortal sin. So yes, the habit can be such that it is not a mortal sin for someone. But I'd recommend talking to a priest about it.

Personally I don't receive if I M at all. If I mindlessly touch myself briefly I don't consider that a mortal sin for me. I don't receive if I look at P. Although, if I stopped myself quick enough, like a few seconds, then I'd consider receiving. I also don't receive if I engage in impure thoughts. Again here it is a matter of discretion. Sometimes the thoughts come to my head and I mindlessly have them. Sometimes I really welcome and work with the thoughts. Unfortunately, I end up not being able to receive quite often. But I don't want to profane the Eucharist and this helps motivate me.

 

Most priests I talked about it said that as far as you honestly try to get rid of this addiction ( you must have some plan and actions) you commit no grave sin and you can receive the Sacrament. It's all subjective for sure. Maybe we can measure the honesty with some outer achievements - for example last month I PMOed 18 times ( total time - 50 hours), this month 17 times ( total time 48 h) and so on. And I think we must aim to get rid of it in future.( I mean real plans but not wishful thinking ). That would be enough conditions to me.
All is subjective. Even if you don't have any addiction you are subjective during confession.
It's not good to be too scrupulous. God could make a saint from an a not recovered opium addicted ...Saint Mark Ji.

 

2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."138 "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."139

2354 Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties. It offends against chastity because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other. It does grave injury to the dignity of its participants (actors, vendors, the public), since each one becomes an object of base pleasure and illicit profit for others. It immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world. It is a grave offense. Civil authorities should prevent the production and distribution of pornographic materials.

1385 To respond to this invitation we must prepare ourselves for so great and so holy a moment. St. Paul urges us to examine our conscience: "Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself."218 Anyone conscious of a grave sin must receive the sacrament of Reconciliation before coming to communion.

This is straight from the Catechism of the Catholic Church... both are grave, both are always willfully consented, and now you have the knowledge. This sin is sacrilige and is very serious. Please do not get communion while you have PMO'd without confession. Here is the answer to your question = NO! Do not go and receive communion with the mortal sin on your soul.

The links below may help motivate you. Do not abuse divine mercy and presume God will forgive you because you are "addicted".

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/catholicteaching/vice/impurity.htm
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/on-the-abuse-of-divine-mercy
http://biblereasons.com/narrow-path/

JMJ

 

This is not a matter of opinion. It is Catechismal and Biblical. Do not look for excuses to receive it, that comes from the devil. Jesus tells us to be perfect like His Father in heaven is perfect and also tells us few will enter the kingdom. Let the fear of God motivate you. It is the precursor to wisdom and eliminating worldly passions. If you hold on to the "oh, I'm addicted" excuse you will never overcome this. Like St. Josemaria Escriva says in The Way, "Be a Man!"

 

Well, why haven't you quoted the whole text of point 2352 of the Cathechism?
Quoting not all you publish half truths. Is half truth a truth?
The whole point:

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2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action." "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."

To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.,

Once again, especially for you:

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factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.,,

What you did was dishonesty. Cutting some part of the text was the same like quoting a not ful verse from the Bible, for example:

Psalm 53[a]
1 “There is no God.”

And now the ful passage:

Psalm 53[a]
1 The fool says in his heart,
“There is no God.”

 

Yes. You have cited a totally different part of the Catechism there. After you rebuke any sin, do you always throw in that footnote, lest it be dishonest? When Paul or Peter or Christ Himself rebuked sin, did they throw in "unless you suffer from factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability". No. They did not.
I work on a psych ward in a hospital, and I am in recovery for alcoholism myself. I am very familiar with the spectrum of "factors" people suffer from. Please also read the attatched link on abuse of Divine Mercy. Unless any of the men here suffer from severe autism, a form of schizophrenia, a severe personality disorder (which even those, I have seen overcome). I have seen insane addictions to heroine and the like overcome in AA through Jesus Christ. What is your point Mr Eko? Why are you here? People with the mental capacity to get involved with this site have no excuse other than they chose to relapse. I can own it. Why can't you. You are leading others to sin Mr Eko. You are literally making excuses for sin. Please do not be fooled by Mr Eko!
You are only playing the devil's advocate. But fine, let's pretend you're right... Everyone, fap away... God will forgive you because you're addicted... All our souls are already forgiven this because we are "addicts" and we have no control over ourselves. So we are all just waating our time here if this os for your salvation. Bravo Mr Eko. You are a true soldier against the legion of demons Mr Eko. Or, are you making excuses for sin and hoping none of our efforts here matter? I call all you men in what Jesus told us and St Paul. Sexually immoral do not inherit the kingdom. Or you can listen to Mr Eko...
If you are so imcapacitated to beat this Mr Eko, I ask again, why are you here? God has already forgiven you, right? Go away with your poison Mr Eko, you justifier of sin! You will be damned if you continue to tell others that they do not have to beat this. You liar, Satan!

 

When do we sin gravely?
Let's look at the Cathechism:

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1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent."


1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God's law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart133 do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.

1860 Unintentional ignorance can diminish or even remove the imputability of a grave offense. But no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man. The promptings of feelings and passions can also diminish the voluntary and free character of the offense, as can external pressures or pathological disorders. Sin committed through malice, by deliberate choice of evil, is the gravest.

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And now think over:
1. Is PMO an addiction, pathological disorder? Or only a voluntary choice.

If it is not an addiction then what are you doing on this forum?
Do you know why I'm not on a forum for alcoholics or drug addicted?
Because I' m not addicted to alcohol or drugs.
If you masturbate and watch porn from your early years, you tried to get rid of it hundreds or thousands of times ..... with the result that you are now on this forum. Is this a pathological disorder or not?

 

Once again. Jumping all over the Catechism to jusify your sin. Complete consent! Is someone holding a gun to your head making you masturbate Mr Eko? The consent and everything you are talking about has always been understood only in context of someone forcing you to commit sin.

 

It's not a totally different part of the Cathechism. It's all in the same point and in the same context.
Point 2352 must be read in its fulness. You mustn't remove a part from the point wjich contradicts your personal attitude.

 

It is your soul, Mr Eko. I would rather recieve the Eucharist in a state of true sanctifying grace and not lead others to believe the lie that they are all victims here. Unless you actually are incapable, I ask you again... why then are you here if you cant even control it?

 

If you so understand the free voluntary choice then there are no addicted people in the world. No drug addicts, no alcoholics,...
Sorry but you do not understand what addiction is.
Tell me of yourself - Do you consider yourself an addict or not?
If not, what are you doing on a forum for addicts?

 

Forgive me. It is a seperate paragraph in the column I honestly missed! However, that is not seen under the 2354 on pornography. I must also defend still, everything I said above. There is not a man or woman who has the mental ability or capacity to find this forum that cannot beat this. There are those in mental hospitals chronically masturbating or "immature" children such as children 3-10 who do this. They are not here on this forum. There are people who orgasm from being rubbed against with an erection in public. Sitting down opening a website with your hands, touching yourself, as a man that can argue apologetics as well as you is only excusing yourself.

 

Tell me then, how do some addicts recover? Because at the end of the day... no matter how strong Satan has you. You have the power to choose not to. Ive seen it countless times and ways. Read my journal.

 

I have been for over 3 years PMO free.
So I consider myself not an PMO addict.
If I masturbated today or watched porn it would be a grave sin for me because I'm not an PMO addict any more. But some years ago I was an addict. You can't use the same evaluation for addicted and not addicted.

 

I have recovered from PMO and always viewed PMO as the worst addiction in the world.

 

How on earth did you free yourself from addiction? Oh you battled Satan. And you didn't make excuses every time you were tempted. Actually, by the standards of the DSM and every recovery program, you are still an addict. Once an addict always an addict. I'm sure if you relapsed you would be off to the races. Ive had relapses in my addictions. Give it an inch and it'll take a mile. You have freed yourself from the compulsion to act out. I have felt this before after 3 years of sobriety. But I justified a drink and not long the demons were back.

 

How about instead of us arguing who has mortal sin or not by masturbating, we just wait til judgement to see who's philosophy was more orthodox. But by your understanding compulsive liars are excused. Child molesters are excused. Rampant sexual deviants are excused. Pot heads. Super greedy power hungry people... we are all just victims of culture, addictions, abuse and immaturity... Sorry man. Ill say it here again, please, do not get communion if you are in the throws of addiction. Confess, pray, recieve while in a state of grace, but gentlemen, please don't sit there and try to excuse yourself as a victim. Own your addiction. Beat it. Then go to communion.

 

It is a grave sin. You know that. And if you sit there and tell yourself that you are a victim that you had nothing to do with bringing on yourself... go ahead... what mr eko is wrongfully doing is ushering sacrilige. There are those who do not recover. They cannot be fully honest with themselves... but you can recover.

 

Really? Look carefully at the point end of point 2352:
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To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.,

Where are the men with guns here?
You really don't understand this point