Who gets into heaven (assuming there is one)?

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  1. Castielle

    Castielle Fapstronaut

    Eh, even that last bit sounds weird to me. There's no need for that. God gives us what we need when we need it. He's not to be tested like a ouiji board or something. If He has a word to give someone, He might choose to speak that through a prophet or through some other means. I don't see why we need to employ all these other things instead of just letting God do what Hes going to do and following Him. We are not the leaders here, demanding that He give us words or follow us in our plans to prophesy that day or whatever.
  2. Fightyourlowerself

    Fightyourlowerself Fapstronaut

    Hi all,

    My understanding (I am not an expert) of all this (from an orthodox Islamic perspective) is that anyone can theoretically get into heaven because there's only a small number of beings that have specifically been condemned (by god) to hell (the ones I can think of the top of my head are Satan/Lucifer, The Pharaoh mentioned in the scriptures (the one whom drowned when the sea was split) and one of the uncles of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) known as 'Abu Lahub'). Other than this and a few other specific people in history there's no restriction as to who can get in as no body knows what belief a person might hold in their mind/heart.

    I was also taught that there is a legitimate difference of opinion amongst the experts who study theology about one concept - "has the clear/pristine/unbiased message of god's religion reached the people"? which links to the point in the first post about not everyone having an equal opportunity to do this.

    One group (of experts) argue no because of all the lies /misinformation / misconceptions regarding religions in the world today. As a result they say that anyone can go to heaven without needing to follow the religion because in the Quran there is a verse along the lines of "god doesn't punish a people up until the message reaches them" so these experts use this as the basis for their opinion. They say unless someone (who is competent) has explained the religion properly to the people, the people wont be blamed for not following it.

    But other experts in this field argue any rational person should be able to contemplate by themselves and at least prove through logic alone (very important - not using scriptures like Bible/Quran) that there is one supreme being e.g. through the argument by design, ontological argument, first cause argument etc. So they argue to get into heaven people must believe in the supreme being at least even if they don't find his religion. Other experts also dispute this because someone may go through their whole life never really thinking about it and it would seem unfair to be punished for this.

    This is why there are differences of opinion regarding who can get in.

    Hope that helps a little bit. sorry if this confuses anyone. Please let me know if I can clarify anything better.

    I wish you all the best in your lives.

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