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Discussion in 'NoFap Technical Support and Feedback' started by meagainsttheworld, Jul 10, 2017.
This thread is too ridiculous to be true.
Maybe I worded that posted badly, I would consider myself to be irreligious and my reasons for coming here are because my sexual function has been too dependent on using porn. There is little to no moral reason behind it. Now, of course, a Christian or whatever religious person can do NoFap for similar reasons I do it for as well, but Christians and other groups talk about God and similar things a bit much for me to assume it's for similar reasons. I'm happy to be proven wrong though on a case by case basis. And really, there is nothing wrong with using religion as your reason for NoFap, I don't agree but my opinion doesn't really matter in the end.
Well, I just dislike religion in general personally. I feel in a lot of cases, it creates division in families and communities where none should be. I know I have made some really controversial statements about religion in several threads on this forum (especially in reference to Islam) but as long as you don't take my rights away and allow me to live as I want, I don't really care about your religion and wish you nothing but good.
But I do agree, sometimes religions had some decent ideas.
I wish all the Bible thumpers had their own forum and stayed in there.
I think supernaturalists and materialists can learn from each other. Supernaturalists can learn about the science of porn addiction, and see that it confirms what religions teach about sexual morality. Naturalists can learn that many religious moral teachings actually confirm what they may suspect through experience and science.
The reality is that both science and morality condemns porn. Even if you think looking at naked whatever isn't inherently immoral, no one can question the harm that it causes to relationships and those in the industry. Also, scientists (psychologists) want to say porn isn't addictive or harmful - when our experiences and observations reveal to us that it obviously is.
You're right about religion being a source of division- which is a shame. I'm not sure that it's religion that causes division though - I think it's just people. In observing life and this forum it seems to me like there's enough hostility to go around - believer or not. If anything, a couple posts in this thread being an example - people here are more hostile towards Christians than Christians are towards others.
Because Christian have largely been stripped of their culture. It's laughable that many Christians are critical of 'cultural Christians'... as if Christianity could somehow be purified from its cultural, historical and institutional contexts. This 'pure' Christianity not only lays itself bare before God but bare before the world, and is like a lamb to the slaughter. All forms of addictions come sweeping into the cultural vacuum... consumerism, ideology, intellectual pride, feminism, politics, and pornography. And so, sadly, cohorts of Christians find themselves struggling with vices that a virtuous education [culture] would have nipped in the bud.
To speculate on people's reasons for taking a particular position on an issue, especially when you have a fundamentally different world-view to theirs, is not going to hand you the correct answer. A lot of atheists hold their beliefs w/r/t god and/or religion because of an understanding of science, and to assume that they do not know about the science behind PMO is also short-sighted. The science that explains why P can be such a draw to humans (seemingly particularly to males) is similar to the reasons that can lead to over-eating and obesity. Out genes encode behaviours that lead us to seek out these things: fertile females with child-rearing features such as wide hips, large breasts and good skin etc (sorry if any of that is a trigger) on the one hand and calorie-rich, sweet food on the other. The bingeing behaviours that many people have that lead to excessive PMO or excessive eating would have been beneficial in 'simpler times': The more sexually active males would be more likely to pass on their genes by having more offspring, and the gorging on available food would help sustain our anscestors between feeding opportunities when food was much more scarce and required a great deal of energy to hunt for or gather. Now these bingeing behaviours lead to problems, as the nature of our environment is evolving around us faster than our species is able to evolve to keep up. Perhaps this will, in many generations, sort itself out as compulsive masturbators stay at home and fap rather than getting out and seeking a mate. Obesity is not an attractive trait either and an overweight person is thus less likely to mate. Knowing all of this science, however, does not automatically make an individual able to transcend their in-wired urges to behave in these ways, regardless of whether they are religious or not. The reason confession is an integral part of Catholicism is that Catholics can always be relied upon to break rules that they 'know' are wrong. Atheists, too, are capable of going against what they know to be right: that to binge on fast food and fast-thrills in P is ultimately harmful.
Hey folks instead of quarrelling and abusing people over their religion, I think you'll should inform the religious people that you'll aren't interested in their religion oriented comments. NoFap is secular community.
1] Whatever our beliefs are doesn't really matter when it comes to wanting to improve our lives. This seems to be a basic instinct/ desire, even deeper than the other one, that we all share irrespective of religion. We share it in virtue of what we are, not what we believe.
2] Now why this should be so......
1] Is the base position on which all here can agree and discuss - the struggle against addiction.
2] Is kind of a philosophical distraction that the curious minded might indulge in in the off-topic forum. Though of course, this distractive function - that is, talking about other stuff besides nofap - may help in the recovery.
Religion doesn't create division in families and communities. People do. On the other hand, there's no point of saying 'I dislike religion'. Sorry to break it to you, but your opinion doesn't matter here. And as long as you don't mock my religion and me. I'll respect you. Oh wait a second, isn't that you from the thread "Is insulting considered a free speech'? Oh dear! That's explains a lot. I wonder what brought you here to just say 'I dislike religion'. Don't mind me, but this is just hilarious.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't see how believing or not believing god/religion has anything to do with understanding of science. Only correlation between lack of belief and science that I can see is rational thinking. But inclination to rational thinking does not necessary prevents somebody from holding a subjective belief.
I think it's reasonable assumption to make. Nofap is not mainstream. The science behind porn addiction is not as common sense as idea that fast food or smoking is bad. Most people probably think masturbation and porn is not just non-harmful but maybe even healthy. If not for Christian God to tell them that those practices are bad thing they would be in dark as well.
That's how their brain works; they believe that they are atheists because of science. In fact, there're millions of famous people who highly believe in both God and science. They even create fake studies that claim 80% of scientists are atheists which is hilarious.
Exactly! Doctors don't really claim that porn and masturbation are non-harmful. Actually, they even claim that they are healthy. I doubt that there will be a huge amount of atheists who want to quit this addiction.
I am here to better myself, for my sake and my servitude towards God. In my short time of total abstinence, I have felt closer to God, like I'm finally truly serving him. Not to mention the increased energy, confidence, motivation, and strength my body has gained. Total abstinence is the ultimate test of willpower. Every man upon this Earth should bow to just one: God almighty. And maintaining the desires we face is one of the harder tests in life. Only the strongest prevail. We are here to become one of the Strongest.
I understand. But division in families occur for all sorts of reason. Politics is a big reason. Think of the last election, or the topic of climate change. It is world views that cause division. A world view is always a philosophical difference. Sometimes that philosophy has a theological element. If you took away the theological element there would still be plenty of division. In fact it could be even greater.
By the way in modern times the biggest divider of families is divorce. And some religions are actually strongly against that.
Just like there is no point in replying to me if you are just going to act salty over a thread I've long since forgotten about. You are the same poster who actually victim blames rape victims because "sexy women are a trigger to men", if you want to dig up some good memories.
And it's my constitutional right to mock and satirize whatever I want, including your religion.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that religion is the sole source of division of families. I think it's a pretty strong divider though, like any homosexual who gets kicked out because "It's forbidden in the Bible/Koran/whatever" as an example. Most people's views don't develop in a vacuum, they come from somewhere, and what I consider to be anti-family values come a lot from religious texts.
It's obvious. "NoFap" is common sense in "hardcore" christian households.
Your avatar scares me. Scares the living shit out of me. Maybe I see myself in it, the part of me that faps in front of a screen.
Get over it already. I assure you there are no militant Christians thumping Bibles here. "Hardcore" is just the way you view a level of devotion you may not be capable of understanding.
Now this is a hardcore thumper:
What does that quote have to do with anything? It's from the book of Revelation [ a book of prophecy] and is being said to The church in Laodicia. As well the entire book or Revelation is enigmatic. You are misconstruing the meaning of a very opaque piece of scripture to suit your own personal ideology.
Act salty? I am so calm as hell. You insulted my prophet and called him a pedophile. Show me where I insulted you. I should have insulted you and not debating such a person, but I didn't. Also about that post, I have already apologized and accepted that I was wrong that's why I deleted the thread.
You're right. You have the right to do so because you're just a coward who cannot control whatever he say. Actually, I don't think that you are brave enough to insult someone in the street. On the other hand, if you make satire of a religion, then I doubt that anyone would take you seriously in a discussion. I'm sure that you will get mad if I made fun of you.
You just insulted me in this very post. Not that I really care if you insult me, because it's just text on a screen. You are salty because you feel like you should have insulted me, when I insulted your prophet. Show me where I actually insulted you personally, dude, not your prophet.
You can think of me as you will, I will win, but when it comes down to it, you are the one who gets mad over insults that are not even targeted at you. And, also, by the way, I have the right because it's granted to me by the United States and it's constitution. You wouldn't take a satirist's view of your religion seriously, sure, but it doesn't mean anything when that person still has the legal right to do so. The fact you don't understand that the West now is built on freedom of speech and expression means that maybe, just maybe you should have spent less time studying theology and more time studying world history to understand why freedom of speech, expression, and religion (which is limited in most Islamic nations) are so important for a healthy society.
Your feelings and faith do not, and should not, override secular constitutions and laws meant to protect everyone's rights. You are completely free to insult me all you like if you are that bothered by my words. Just remember that people aren't as fragile as you make yourself out to be.