why do so many people think the usa government is bad and keeping so many secrets from it’s civilian

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  1. 19m

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    why do people think this ?
     
  2. Crusader18

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    It is, but literally every other nation on Earth can say the same. Governments are pretty much always corrupt and serve their own interests.
     
  3. One Mic

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    Certainly for some governments, yeah. But once you travel out of America, there's a lot of people in other countries that believe the US government is trying to destroy the world. (not literally, but just make it a worse place) In other words, many people outside the US say that the US government is one of the worst ones out there.
     
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  4. MLMVSS

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    You can thank the Assange and Snowden leaks on why people think this. Before it was leaks with hardly any paperwork given as proof of these activities or other liberty-killing overreaches. They alerted of government overreach that went against the US Constitution and the government rather cover it up than to strike the programs down.

    I’m not an American citizen, I love the USA but their politicians are terrible when it comes to foreign affairs. They’ve done brutal things in the world in the name of America. But the main difference between them and other imperialist countries is the US government don’t abuse people within their own borders. In fact, the USA is wayyyyyy too nice to people within their borders (i.e. illegals)
     
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  5. Perhaps for the attacks of September 11, 2001
     
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  6. One Mic

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    You're the complete opposite of me, then. I am an American citizen and I can't stand this country. o_O

    What do you mean "abuse" exactly?
     
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  7. MLMVSS

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    That’s because most other places (including where I’m from) punishes overall productive people like me. Not necessarily economically but the slight thought of being proud of your own success is enough to rustle people. Even then, everything was unbearably expensive. Plus my American wife wanted to go back. So, yeah here I am.

    Well, people aren’t being genocided like they are in China, and the same US government that doesn’t hesitate drone striking children haven’t laid a finger on their citizens yet.
     
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  8. bken

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    Governments are like the definition of hypocrisy.

    When the Europeans colonized and took over what is now the USA they murdered like thousands of native Americans or locked them away in reservations. Now they're even building walls to keep the natives out. These are the same people who fought fascism and national socialism convinced they were the heralds of peace and democracy. You are hearing story after story about how they liberated concentration camp after concentration camp but not a word is said about the American natives who were murdered, oppressed or have been cast out of society and locked away. Thousands of Germans were starved to death in camps set up by the US government after the war. But you will not read about this in history books.

    They are also not disclosing information about alien technology and visits from outer space to avoid this valuable intelligence ending up in hands they don't trust. This is a normal thing for a government to do but it will obviously lead to frustration and conspiracy theories among civilians. There is absolutely no doubt they are hiding things. But they are top secret projects for good reasons. Imagine what you can do with that kind of tech. Take the new telescope they introduced a while ago for instance, they used a material, a type of alloy, no one had ever heard about before to build it, they call it unobtanium. This material most likely was inspired by or cloned from alien technology, downed alien spacecraft no one knows about. Lots of new technologies were introduced post Roswell.... kevlar and the likes. You'd have to be naive to think there's nothing more to it.

    So that's why so many people are thinking they are keeping secrets I think. Technology is evolving at such a rapid pace there's no way they are not keeping any secrets. They have the technology to fly around the world in a matter of seconds but if you were the government you wouldn't be willing to disclose this to the public any time soon either. It would end up in 'hostile' or mistrusted hands before you could blink an eye.
     
  9. Cool I Can Use Spaces

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    I think the answer is The Vietnam War followed quickly with The Watergate Scandal.

    Before, based on what I’ve read and studied, the attitude of the general population was that the government could be trusted. Keep quiet and comply with what the government says and does.

    Then with The Vietnam War and Watergate it was proved without a shadow of a doubt that the US Government, including the President and the NSA, were actively hiding information and lying to the population.

    For example, President Nixon said he was going to pull out of Vietnam, wind the war down. Instead he was escalating it by sending troops into Cambodia and Laos. He was trying to conduct a secret war that the CIA was heavily involved in. Also Nixon is responsible for dropping more bombs into Laos than the US dropped in Germany during WW2. To this day there are still stories of unexploded bombs in Laos going off and killing people.

    With Watergate, Nixon was trying to use the government, mainly the NSA, to bring down his political opponents. But The Washington Post newspaper helped expose him. He lied and lied, continued to lie about it to his death. But the evidence was all there. Sad thing is there were top people involved who did prison time for that scandal, NSA advisor Chuck Colson perhaps being the highest, but the number one guy - President “Tricky Dicky” Nixon - got off scott free.

    The 60’s n 70’s saw a huge turn around in public opinion about the US Government and they had good reason to. It’s a skepticism that remains to this day.
     
  10. onceaking

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    I was listening to a podcast about this they said it goes back Nixion... Or was it JFK? Anyway it's one of the Cold War presidents... Their actions and the fear during that period caused Americans to lose trust. If I can remember the podcast I'll post it here.
     
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  11. saurabgangul

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    Well as someone who watches Hollywood and know very little about America as all my knowledge is through TV series movies and other news I am pretty sure Americans soon will become dumber and more wild than any other nations. There will be gap b/w rich and smart vs dumb and poor most people will be like dopamine seekers and addicts like us.
     
  12. Get_It

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    Well it is not just USA governments, its all governments in general that have a track record of treating people poorly once they gain too much power. Its what Uncle Alex Jones has taught me well.
     
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  13. Hold it in

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    I just watched a videodoc called, Helltown, Ohio. Where the government made everyone move because they wanted to create a "national park" there. Only thing is a legend of Native tribes say a Wendigo (which is like some monster) lives in the woods. There were some underground stuctrors that looked out on place that I guess the government built or someone did

    It was interesting to say the least
     
  14. need4realchg

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    People have a history of distrust because they are lied to for the benefit Of public “good.”

    Mass media has an agenda so it causes the same level of cynicism.

    Unless you are liberal, you are likely to have a heavy dose of skepticism of all government projects, statistics, plans and politicians.

    I have just left a country where they attempted a coup this week. Having seen first hand the disinformation between the rich and poor it’s always about money and power. Oil has been the vice of governments for at least 100 years. Before this it was coal. Before that it was sugar. Before sugar it was gold.

    In the future it will be potable water. Then you will really see some psycho pseudo science politics come out of the woodwork. Fear —- politics is the number 1 reason for mass unrest. Every failed state points to a having first staged a successful a disinformation campaign. Every single one. Syria. Venezuela. Egypt. Iraq. UAE, Zimbabwe, etc.

    The USA misinformation campaign on any number of issues is well under way; immigration, guns, liberty of gender, separation of church and state.
     
  15. Get_It

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    About the water, reminds me of Immortan Joe controlling the people with it.
     
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  16. 19m

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    honestly you could be right .
     
  17. 19m

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    i agree unfortunately. i wish since i live in the usa it was better in fact i wish our world has world peace .
     
  18. It's TIME to STOPPP

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    America is greedy, idiotic, imperial, you name it.

    It spends billions of dollars on militaries and no money for scientific, beneficial research for the human race. Also the infrastructure just sucks
     

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