Why Do We Straight Guys Whack Off to Videos of Alpha Males Having Sex?

Heroin also makes you feel good. "Feeling good" is not an argument for whether a thing is healthy or not.

Sex does not exist for "relaxation". Sleeping is for relaxation. sex is for either mating or bonding with your mate. Using ejaculation as a sedative goes against the very purpose of sex.

 

So sex with dogs is ethical then.

 

No, the analogy does not work. When you watch basketball you don't actually imagine YOU are the player, YOU feel the ball etc, you score the points etc.

Hopefully not many times more, cause that's a bogus definition that is just a cop-out. Consent is not human only. When you go feed a bird and it comes to eat, it's consenting as well. So is the dog that f@$@ the woman.

 

Your comparisons are very extreme. You don't suddenly get the urge to do heroin in your teenage years. The effect of heroin addiction is usually more destructive and involve much more risk.

Sexual urges do exist. So yes, people do have needs. While sex is much more than just physical fun, it does relieve you and satisfy your urges. Not everyone has a partner to have sex with so they have to find another way to relieve themselves. Humans are sexual creatures, they're curious and have needs.
When have I ever said it has important benefits? My argument here is not about the benefits - but if it's done in moderation, without being taken to extreme lengths, it's pretty much harmless.

Again - I'm arguing against the stupidity in claiming that porn is the main problem. It's not, those who let themselves let it go out of hand are at fault or other, underlaying problems in their life are to blame. Porn is not that thing you consume a few times and inevitably become addicted to, that's not the case. Unless you actually think most people in the world are porn addicts with corrupt minds and dysfunctional lives? Or do you think that porn is not consumed by pretty much almost every person with an internet connection?

 

It's extreme for a purpose and the purpose is to show that "because it feels good" is not an argument.

Yes, but that's not the point of sex.

No you don't have to find another way to relieve yourself, there is no reason to relieve yourself. Sexual frustration is functional in that it pushes you to get a mate or die trying. By relieving yourself you shortcircuit your drive.

No it's not, and neither is masturbation harmless.

 

You made a very interesting thread overall, even if the subject has been discussed before, even i created similar topic(s) a while ago. But you add some interesting insights to it, that although may seem crass "you can't ignore that there's a muscle-bound, tattooed, big-dicked stallion of a man that is also part of the scene you are whacking off to LOL" they are excellent and deliver the message with great success.

Inspired by this I talked to a friend of mine that still uses porn and sees no problem with it. I gave him different scenarios in which he'd get to see an erect penis (guy with an erection sits near him on a bench, guy with an erection walks in a room he is in, guy with an erection shows up on a gaming stream he is watching). In all cases his response was that he'd be repulsed by it. When i switched "guy with erection" with "hot naked female" and he was not repulsed. Then when I mentioned porn he backpedalled at first saying he watches it for the woman (common response i got when having such dialogues), then he sort of conceded that he has to ignore him and that the woman moaning etc is a very exciting stimulus that helps him ignore it. I told him that if he was watching it for the woman, he would've watched solo women, but he said that women in b/g porn are more arousing (which is understandable). Interestingly enough he also mentioned "envy" in a presumably joking tone, but i don't really think it was a joke. I also added "admiration" and while he laughed, he didn't actually contradict me.

What I got from all this and my experience (sadly almost 20 years, thankfully now i fully stopped and don't get aroused by porn anymore) of watching b/g porn is that the throbbing penis, while completely repulsive, is masked and even surpassed by the woman's looks/moans.

So what we've been conditioned to do is cover up and ignore our (natural) discomfort of seeing dicks for the price of more stimulation.

That's like a hot steamy shit being covered in very expensive perfume we like.

 

Yeah, ok buddy. Teenagers who discover sex don't feel the need to relieve themselves... This is getting ridiculous.

I never said "it feels good so they should do it". You're completely misinterpreting my argument. I said, and I'll repeat it one last time: My argument is that it's NOT harmful and will NOT ruin your life if you're capable of controlling yourself. And it's backed up by evidence, AKA pretty much all humans with an internet connection whose lives are completely normal despite consuming porn and masturbating. But for some reason you choose to completely ignore this and carry on with the same bs.

There is a reason to relieve yourself, you discover sex, you get curious, turned on and the sexual tension builds up and then you have to nut it out to relieve yourself.
This is how the human mind and body works. No one's going to "die trying" because there's no reason to do so. Not every person can get a partner nor can they fall in love on command just to get one. Not everyone can or should hold it back for years on end until they find a partner they feel comfortable with. And that's completely natural. Because once you discover something like sex, especially in your teen years(and it is natural)it will end up fucking with your head and distracting you if you don't let it out. There's a reason wet dreams are a thing, your body cleanses itself on command. So either way, that sperm has to come out one way or another, and masturbation is better than waking up with your underwear/boxers glued to your private parts.

It is harmless and enjoyable in moderation. Again - most people out there masturbate and watch porn, and guess what? they're completely fine and function normally.

I'm really tired of having to repeat myself. Whether your argument stems from a religious point of view or you just got so fucked up from porn and masturbation that you truly resent it and pin the blame on it, IMO it's nonsensical and I'm done repeating myself in hopes that you'll understand instead of misinterpreting it again and again.

 

While masturbation is abnormal, it is somewhat understandable that some teens do it first out of curiosity or something. I should remind you though there are some tribes that don't know HOW to masturbate and don't even have a word for such a practice as it does not exist for them. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/...bation-and-homosexuality-do-not-exist/265849/ . So masturbation is NOT something humans HAVE to do. No human ever died from NOT masturbating.

Getting back on track, the fact that some unexperienced teenagers do it does not justify sexually matured ADULTS should do it too. You're comparing apples to oranges.

No, you don't.

Could you please elaborate this? I talked to others about it and no one managed to explain. I used to watch b/g porn for almost 20 years and still can't explain this.

 

I don't need to watch this video to know that despite the addictive traits of porn, the vast majority of humans who consume porn are normal, functioning people and not dysfunctional addicts.

Yes, both porn and heroin are addictive and can easily ruin your life, but heroin is MUCH more likely to do so. I've yet to meet anyone who's consuming heroin in moderation and manages a normal, functioning life. Even if somehow that person exist, too, their a VERY small minority.

 

Because not every guy looks like that when they fuck in the real world. That’s the magic (and superficiality) of the industry in Los Angeles at work.
This is why in any situation, whenever I fall off the NF bandwagon (which is most of the time), I stick with the amateur stuff, because the professional ones strike me as fake and stagy, and people don’t normally moan that loud or long when they orgasm. They moan, to be sure, but not like that. You can tell it’s scripted and directed/coached. Some people get off on that, whatever, but for me, personally, that’s not a turn-on, because a majority of the time, there’s no connection and they don’t care about each other, and it’s just Hollywood glamour...you can tell (watch the movie “Boogie Nights” and the porno scene that they’re filming with Mark Wahlberg and Julianne Moore, and you’ll see what I’m talking about).

 

I would disagree on some points... mainly that they are not alpha. Most of them that is. While certainly at least some are definite beta - Johnny Sins comes to mind, even if he's very successful, he just acts and feels like a beta. This feeling you get of the male being alpha/beta is not about money/fame etc, but about how he carries himself and how he interacts with others. There can be alpha janitors and beta CEOs (look at Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk).

You are also forgetting that while yes, the job itself is shitty, the competition is VERY high for males and it's a very competitive field. And usually the ones that make it over the rest are the alpha ones.

I can definitely relate to syncing up the cumshot. While i don't watch porn or masturbate anymore, I did the syncing thing for many, many years and that is definitely VERY disturbing and lame.

I still can't tell who exactly is a person that masturbates to porn (as he is both the watcher, the man AND the woman - his hand). But i know for certain that splitting is unhealthy and disturbing.