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Why in the world many guys in nofap are blaming women and have a hatred for them?

Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by ForeverChanges, Sep 26, 2020.

  1. We can agree on porn being the issue. I'm sorry to hear you had such a hard time with women in your life. I've had a few cases where women have pulled one over on me. Abstinence for me has led me to see the faults in my own actions that led up to those events. It has removed any and all bitterness I had towards them. I realized that doing penis enlargement exercises leads to hellish adventures in my life for some strange reason. Women going crazy out of nowhere and making me suffer is somehow correlated with me doing those exercises. Like some benevolent overlord doesn't like what I'm doing with myself and is trying to send me a message.
     
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  2. Love2LongBoard

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    Women are not inferior to men. Men are not inferior to women. We are all people. Pornography use makes us unable to view women (if that is what we choose to watch) in their natural light. The simple truth is that women are human. Just like I hope no one out there judges me for some other man's mistakes, we should not judge women in general based on a few women we know.

    My experience has shown me though, that in general women are kinder, more honest, are more accountable, more compassionate, exercise greater self-control, and are more accepting than men. This is just my observation.

    Women deserve our respect. Just as men deserve our respect. The reason that this is such an issue is that when we view pornography and/or fantasize about women we are disrespecting them. The ways we deal with that are numerous but I have noticed 1 destructive trend. Men sometimes disrespect them even further. It is probably a coping mechanism to justify the objectificaiton and dehumanization a man HAS to do to engage in pornography.

    All these books and theories about how to "get women" are in and of themselves objectificaiton. We are reducing the whole population of women to a thing to be won through a series of manipulations. There is only 1 way to have a true relationship with a women, be vulnerable.

    The OP suggests that men blame women for our decisions. I have seen many men do that. It is a cop out.

    The only way a man can heal from this is by taking 100% accountability for our actions. Until we can admit to ourselves that we are the ones who made the decisions that got us here we will not be able to heal. I have and could blame lots of people and circumstances for my decisions. At the end of the day though I am the one who turned on the computer.
     
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  3. Hi comrades,
    it isn't love or sex that makes the World go round. It's money! One of the secrets of capitalism is to create a need in people that did not exist before. There were no alcoholics before brewing alcohol started. Likewise there was no such thing as social media addiction before the internet.

    If anyone wanted to view porn in the past there were barriers. One had to buy it in physical form. This was either in a magazine or VHS/DVD format. There were also cinemas where pornographic, sometimes called blue, movies could be viewed. In each of these gateways the risks of discovery were high. A trip to a brothel could result in being recognised or even arrested.

    The risk of being caught and shamed has now been minimised. But, not eradicated ! Nowadays all you need is a computer with a modem to access pornography. We can now view more naked women,in five minutes, than our forefathers did in a lifetime.

    I have read the previous posts on this thread. Some of our brethren have mentioned incels and misogyny. Such modes of thinking should of course be condemned. But the elephant in the room is hypocrisy. I recognise that civilised society can not exist without some level of hypocrisy. But the degree of hypocrisy surrounding sex and its monetization is a scandal.

    The sexual predator Harvey Weinstein was/is a monster. Yet his reign of terror would have ended much sooner without his enablers. Many of whom were women! Famous women proclaim themselves feminists. Yet demean their gender by using men's desires to enrich themselves.

    I try, but don't always succeed, to ignore such contempt towards people's intellects. Incels, indeed any man, are not entitled to female compliance via sexual favours. But to go around condemning fires after starting them is lunacy!

    Take care everyone!
     
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  4. Hi pal,

    'CULT OF MISANDRY.' What a wonderfully accurate and enlightening phrase! There is a global war going on against men. Thank goodness there are fapstronauts like yourself willing to call things by their real names. Keep posting my friend. I need you and so does every other member of NoFap.
    Good luck!
     
  5. Kramum

    Kramum Fapstronaut

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    I will tell you, even though NoFap censorship will take it down soon.
    Because forums like this tend to attract rather unintelligent people. And this is one of many examples of how unintelligent people think.
     
  6. eric9000k

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    There is a very blanket attitude to never blame externally but this is for sure a double standard. I'll take a lot of blame for my actions and situation but the second it becomes a case where you must be 100% blameworthy for everything all the time it can definitely start to feel like there is something nefarious afoot. Constant bluepill attitude is also bullshit; it leads to people wearing masks in the streets and children being taught to face the corner and not share the atmosphere in case some random old lady gets sick by their irresponsible breathing.

    I have been treated quite poorly by many women. I have also been bad to women. And good to them. Life is very long in some respects and many complicated things happen. I'm sure they all feel I am the most despicable person alive, because many of them have told me. I am very very skilled at making women despise me within minutes, even when I don't want to. Knowing that makes it worse.

    Some concepts in the incel universe are a bit crazy and others are bit reasonable. The pussy cartel is kind of a real thing in many ways. Hypersexuality is for sure real. The other thing we have to consider is that women are hit just a bit harder by many things they just process it differently, there are many women who genuinely disrespect and hate men, and they feed each other just as much. They just don't get exposed... why? It's a global conspiracy of simping. There are always 100x as many simps and wimps in a population as pimps. So there is definitely a cultural thing where women are celebrated even if they're toxic, as long as they aren't toxic to black women. It can definitely feel like there is a flowchart hierarchy of people you are allowed to be toxic to. Men are at the bottom of that flowchart, and it is generally acceptable for any woman to be toxic to any man at any time. But that's also changing.

    Women also have problems getting sex and a toxic environment like Tinder is a very good example of this, as you can see the absolute reality that 90% of them do actually compete for the top 10% of guys, so you may witness extreme toxic behavior, whining, complaining, blaming, as well as paraphilias such as dog fantasy and regression of natural sexuality much like men where they prefer to be stimulated by their cell phone with minimal investment. This causes similar feelings of depression for them too. And then it's hard to be sympathetic when they are in denial of this. A lot of girls are still stuck ten years in the past where nobody realized how toxic social media was and feminist lunacy was peaking new highs.
     
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  7. eric9000k

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    Actually I think the 90%/10% metric is ten years old and has probably rapidly developed into 99% territory.
     

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