Why is NoFap so hated?

I don't know. In "real life" I talked about it only with a handful of trusted persons. Some understand the issue, one even tried for himself to abstain from porn and MO for a time. Others are more inclined to support a moderate porn use. And that's ok for me.

Interesting: people that think that their own porn use is recrational and who don't want to change this habits often don't understand my situation. They could just come to the conclusion that FOR THEM porn is not a problem but FOR ME it is an serious addiction.
But often they rather seem to think that I would make a problem out of it.

When I talk to people in rl about it, I try to tell them what I know about the matter and I tell them about my own Journey, as far as I dare. I never try to preach or to convince someone.
Many people make jokes about sex and porn, especially men. This doesn't seem to end after puberty lol.
Sometimes when I'm in such a talk I do just the same thing: making fun remarks and laugh ... because that's easy.
Sometimes I meet someone (it's always a man) who speaks openly about the porn he watches and kind of brags about it. Then I think to myself "at least he's honest"

 

till the jokes are on em . Then it is me in a joke mood .

 

I've spent more time living out my sexuality with media (movies, pictures, hard core porn) than with real women. And I'm not an ugly guy living on an island or something like that. I've fallen deeper than the average person in the trap of internet porn.
But porn is not the only trap out there. And loneliness is a spreading disease as I hear.
I think issues like loneliness, internet addiction .. are much worth than the spreading porn which is rather the symptom.

I wouldn't worry too much about some newspaper articles that make fun of or critisize the so-called NoFap Community. I guess from the outside it just appears a bit weird, castigating and extreme.
The real problem here is that porn addiction is simply not acknowledged yet.
On the other hand people everywhere notice that porn is in their communities and is creating problems. They have to face the fact that their children watch all kinds of sick porn and that's something that you can't downplay or relativize anymore (with a sane mind).
Therefor I believe that "Nofap expertise" is in great demand now!
The things is, the general public don't need any semen retention field reports, they don't need internet memes, the "90 day monk mode recovery challenge" doesn't really matter to them. But we can provide testimonials.

 

its bleeding out the profits of the porn industry
a lot of the hate comes from that to which i say their butthurt is hilarious

 

It goes against their efforts of oversexualizing societies.
Straight and simple.
Sex and money should be prioritised above all else.

 

You know, I wonder too why that is sometimes.

Outside of the NoFap community, it's seen as kind of a joke, and something to mock and laugh about. I would know because I've had several friends, who thankfully don't know that I partake in NoFap, make some rather nasty comments about people that do NoFap. I didn't take it personally though, it's easy to make fun of something you don't understand.

For us NoFap is a part of a healing process, but to them they see it just as denying themselves pleasure because porn and masturbation are normalized in today's world. I can't tell you how many times I've had people, and even my own parents, tell me that those things are completely natural and normal. Sure...maybe some people don't have the issues that we do with those things, and if that's the case, I envy that. But for me, and the rest of us here at NoFap, this is our unfortunate reality.

I wouldn't say that I've seen just straight up hatred for NoFap but it's definitely mocked quite a bit, which is unfortunate. To be honest though, I hope that they continue to think it's a joke for their own sake, and never find themselves having to go through this.

 

I'm not that old - 36 years young - but I can remember a time when porn was outlawed, shameful, reviled and the mainstream media opinion on it was either that it should be banned or that it was shameful and a bit sad/pathetic. Now I live in UK - which was a bit late to the porn party in the late 90s - but even in liberal European countries and (parts of) America, porn being banned and censored is living memory to a lot of people.
Porn was something that people were generally aware of, but most people had probably only seen a video or two, at parties, or they risked shame or even arrest by asking for an 'under the counter' tape from a video store - which they probably paid a lot of money for (and was probably crap).

So people with a small-moderate porn habit that doesn't hugely infringe on their lives (i.e. 99% of men, and a growing number of women too) hate the idea of going back to this censored, 'repressed' world, with the risk of public humiliation or even prosecution for indulging their curiosity. They see it as a 'backward' move against the inevitable drive towards the future, part of the greater liberalisation of sex in general.

And perhaps with some good reason - attempts at banning and restricting porn in the UK in recent years have been hamfisted, draconian, and mostly abandoned quickly after they are brought in. For example, attempts to classify porn videos by the BBFC (state film censor/classifier), by cutting out bits and pieces of the films according to laws about what they could and couldn't show, and selling them only in state-approved sex shops, was archaic and irrelevant even when it was brought in - porn DVDs represent a small % of the market, it's all online. More recently, attempts to restrict access to pornography online by requiring an ID pass that we would have to buy were abandoned - not least because of invasion of privacy, possibilities of abuse, data breaches, bribery etc. Not to mention the cost involved, and the fact it could be avoided with the click on a button on a modern web browser.

So any modern attempt to curb porn use at a state level has to acknowledge that the technology is moving much faster than any attempts to legislate against it. We need a new approach, that respects people's rights to make choices, and does not prosecute 'innocent' people for their curiosity, but equally will not be silenced about the dangers and the harm being caused.

 

1. It's an uncomfortable truth for everyone. People would rather not believe something they like is harmful even if it's the truth. We were all here once. I think most of us were in denial about our addiction for months or even years.

2. It's an unfortunate truth for the porn industry. See: David Ley and Nicole Prause, among others. They know they push bullshit, but they do it anyway. Why? The porn industry needs to maintain it's squeaky clean reputation. Controversy means people are going to look into things, stop watching porn, and stop giving the porn industry money.

3. Here's the one that's hard to swallow for us. NoFap accepts a large range of opinions and stances, which is great: I have no issue with diversity of opinion, I support it. But the issue is a minority of people on this website can be almost evangelical or dogmatic when trying to spread awareness. A lot of people also misconstrue the positive benefits of addiction recovery with the benefits of non-ejaculation (disclaimer: I'm not refuting semen retention, I'm saying addiction and abstinence are different things).

These 3 factors together mean that either of the two groups above can see some fringe post claiming something outlandish and use it as ammunition against the entire anti-porn movement; not because that's logical but because it discredits us easily and without having to actually refute the science. And because nobody wants to admit porn is a problem in the first place nobody ever looks into it, preferring to believe that NoFap is nothing more than a group of fringe crazies pushing pseudoscience.

 

I agree entirely! Look at tobacco. Cigarettes are still around to this day, despite the wide-reaching negative consequences. I think it's fair to say nicotine addiction is worse than porn addiction (porn addiction at least can't literally kill you), and yet it's still perfectly legal. Granted, there are policies in place to discourage the use of cigarettes, but the main reason so few people smoke nowadays compared to 50 or 60 years ago is because now everybody knows it's bad for them.

This is even more true for porn. Banning porn will do absolutely nothing. People will just use a bloody VPN. Even if banning porn was a good solution, aren't we a country that prides itself on liberty? Which is why it's imperative the information gets out there. The more informed people are, the better decisions they make. The entire porn industry, right now, is one big cesspool of information failure.