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Why NOFAP is good for you : perspective of a student of natural medecines

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Vedas_fr, Apr 20, 2018.

  1. Vedas_fr

    Vedas_fr Fapstronaut

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    No it's perfectly fine if you don't agree with me, and i don't mind talking with people disagreeing like you. But yeah i might seem to be trying to impose my belief upon you, it's because it is a topic i have focused about for a long time, it was first a problem for me, and then it became a way to reach a higher energy level.
    Then again, i am not trying to impose my belief, but rather convince you.
    The fact that traditional chinese medecine, which is a 5000 years old complete medecinal system, still in use today, recommends men to moderate their ejaculation according to their age (each age has a recommended frequency), should be enough to make you wonder we might be unto something.

    This being said, you say that you feel a difference in your erections and pleasure if you abstain. You are more horny, more prone to being excited.
    This would suggests somethings build up in you while you abstain. In the contrary, if you masturbate a lot, you don't have any pleasure or desire, no more erections... This would suggest something has been used up and is gone.

    I guess you might be willing to agree on that part.

    Now if someone ejaculates daily, he produces and uses more semen that someone who has one wet dream per month.
    I guess it makes sense. The masturbator will also use up more dopamine and other sex hormones.

    All this stuff has to be produced again. I think until that part you will still agree with me.

    We all know the importance of dopamine and other hormones. Drug users destroy their dopamine levels and end up in depression.

    A last argument to convince you : in nature, there are many species where the male simply dies after ejaculating, often in insects, but some mammals also die shortly after mating.
    Why is that?

    Now, no offense bud, but my main motivation is to reach to people who might find my information helpful and would help them improve their life, well being, creativity and understanding of themselves. You are 22 years old, you wanked a lot, did not feel much fatigue or troubles until now, it's perfectly fine, there are millions like you. The thing is that i am 100 % sure of what i am saying, and i am not really interested in the opinion of people who say otherwise, simply because, i am sure about my topic. I know, i know, it's not the best way to reach out, but i am not here to "debate", or "validate" my point of view, nevermind if some people mistake assurance for arrogance.
     
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  2. Vedas_fr

    Vedas_fr Fapstronaut

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    Look at the kind of belief mass media is spreading:https://www.20minutes.fr/sante/2157...ingt-fois-mois-participe-bonne-sante-prostate
    I will translate it for you : 20 ejaculations at least per month is good for prostate

    Now, standing where i stand, and knowing what i know, i am starting to wonder why are they spreading those kinds of idea? Is it the sex lobby? Do they want to make people weak and easily manageable? Are they just totally stupid?
    Because 20 ejaculations per month.... My god... It's like some slow suicide. I wouldn't do it for a million dollars...

    So this is also why I irritate people who disagree, because I share my hard earned experience and understanding, in a confident manner, altough it challenges the main belief in today's world. I see this sharing as a duty, because I'm quite certain many people are living hell on earth because they don't understand what is going on. Just google "fatigue after sex" or "sick after sex"... And they are drawn in all that misinformation.

    In french, orgasm is called "la petite mort" which translates in "the small death". Also, un "branleur", which translates as "a wanker", is someone who does nothing of his days, no job, nothing, lazy. Makes you wonder.
     
  3. neoguo

    neoguo Fapstronaut

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    yes, thank you for sharing this.
     
  4. I know these kind of statements and they are based on the materialistic western dogmas, that there are no such things like "Prana","Chi", "Od", "Orgon" or "Chakras", "subliminal energy systems" or however you may call it. Also there are of course no such things like the "soul", "Atman" and "Afterlife", "Out of Body experiences" or even invisible entities like "gods", " "angels", " or "demons". It might be really good for the prostate in a way, but what real use will I have from some questionable "benefit of the prostrate", when I will get social anxiety, depression, low libido, isolation, inner emptiness, timidness and addiction for exchange? Fuck the prostate studies, folks. I do not give a shit. If that is the only good argument for permanent ejaculations, that ´s really a bit meager. You can train the prostate anyway with the proper exercises to prevent getting negative effects by semen retention. On the other hand, there is a natural reason why teenagers are in there sexual prime and want to masturbate so much. The body wants to have sex and if they do not get it they start to rebel. That´s the reason, nature wants younglings to claim their own ground, go out and make their own experiences, finding a partner and keep the human race going on. Else they would stick with Mommy and Daddy up to their thirties.

    I would go a bit further, because I have read some writings by Wilhelm Reich earlier in my life. He was like Jung or Adler, a former disciple of Freud, and he examined the "Orgon" energy, which is kinda the same thing as "Prana" or "Mana". Interestingly his early theories were built around the importance of the orgasm for humans, to experience a full and happy life. If people would block their orgasms and would not allow this energy flow naturally in sexual intercourse, because it´s considered "sinful" or forbidden, it would get pressured like in a closed steam pot and sooner or later result in neurosis, body armor, perversions or aggressive political movements like Fascism. (or religious fundamentalism) If you forbid children and teenagers to naturally masturbate, how it was most common in the early 20th century by western doctors, they become feeling guilty about their natural sexual impulses and start to develop neurotic behaviours, because they are just not allowed anymore to express themselve and act naturally. In fact they even recommended general male circumcision for baby boys out of that reason, because it would prevent boys better from masturbation. Of course it did not work. Like the whole religious bigotry order of the churches did not work. The churches are empty and in one generation they will probably gone with most of their influence. It may be indeed beneficial keeping away from masturbating or to practice even celibacy, but only for the few people, who do this by volunteering ambitions and who really know, why they wanna do it. It is not even working in the catholic church itself, because they do not find enough priest candidates anymore, who are willing to do this and who do not fail trying it. It is rather destructive, if it is forced on children or young adults by any authority to control them, by making them feel guilty about it. So all this momentary western sexual liberty overboard going on now, with accessible hardporn for kids included, is in fact a belated result by religious over the top repression and sin/guiltpreaching in the decades/centuries before.

    They consider conventional western medicine standard as the foundation for they treatments. Sometimes works, sometimes not. Depends also to a degree, if you believe in it or not.
    So called "Placebo" effect is real. So believing that anything works at all is essential. People here believe in doctors same way, like they believe in shamans in less developed countries. He know what he is doing, he has studied it, he is the authority. I would ask a doctor if I have a serious health problem. If the health problems keeps going on, even after I have tried of his medicine and followed all his advices - well, maybe I should ask someone else, I trust, for cure?

    I believe one of the reasons, why porn and games are so masswide easy accessible is, that people have less resistance against being governed and manipulated and are more obedient, if they feel sexually "satisfied". Or exhausted. On one side they try to establish censorship because of "fake news" or "hate speech" , but kids watching hard porn. starting to fap on it with 10 and watching most violent movies? No problem. Kids can masturbate and they will anyway, but the porn addictions are a serious danger and have a scientific proovable impact on a developing young brain. It literally fucks them up, before they can build up any resistance at all against it.

    Well, thats a number I easily doubled in my teens. Without any porn at all.

    If you spread your informations outside this community to common people, you can expect lots of resistance. Here are people gathered who are interested, because they have experienced the dark side of porn or sex addiction. I still don´t agree with many religious ideas, but I agree with the benefits of using and refine the sexual energy, because I have examined this topic since my youth. I do this only for myself, not to preach or convert anyone. And the reason why I have registered on NoFap is, that this is a community that assists me in my personal ambition with information a personal experiences, instead immediatly telling me "that´s all just stupid bullshit!" , while having no real idea about the difference of bullshit/dogma/propaganda/reality/advertisments/made up fake stories, etc. On the other hand, I do not believe everything anybody in the internet writes wonderful about the "joy of celibacy". It´s hard work, and everyone must decide for himself, if it is worth doing it or not.
     
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  5. Vedas_fr

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    Your comment makes a lot of sense in many ways. While obviously sexuality is part of life, i don't hold a moral judgment on it. In fact it is a powerful powerful drive, and an unconscious motivation for many. It is life, animal life. But it's goal is not pleasure. Its goal his procreation.
    You know, i know for sure there are some insects and even some smal mammals who die immediatly after ejaculation.
    There is also this rat, which start mating frenetically for 12 hours and then die of a hearth attack.

    I don't believe either we should force people to restrain. Obviously it wouldn't work at all. It could lead to nevrosis, rapes, etc... But i do believe we should tell the truth. And the goddamn truth is that sexuality is extremely costy for the body, mind, motivation and so on. It doesn't matter if the average joe will resist to that fact. Therefore, trying to make sexuality something it is not (a regular pleasure habit disconnected from procreation) will lead to troubles, whether you like it or not.
    And some people, like me, happen to suffer enormously from ejaculation. So they need to know that truth so they can progress.
    But sex sells so much, sex as such a strong power over the mind of human that i believe it will stay a tool for domination and merchandising for a loooong time.

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