Why people hate Incels?

99% cannot reach happiness with masturbation in their lives because masturbation is always a substitute for something else - in normal healthy people at least. Therefore, if they are masturbating, they're doing something else instead of what they'd actually like to be doing - it may be sex it or may not be. It is not optimal, and never will be. You can't name one thing that masturbation is better than, not counting other things we know to be harmful.

Society isn't evil it's stupid, because it's mostly composed of weak minded common people, like you. They make stupid choices, and bad designs.

I care about men because I am one. Since there is an "interest group" interested in sabotaging men, that effects me. Men are masturbating more than ever because there was a "sexual revolution" created by an interest group who's goal, among other goals, was to do just that. It's not "good for everyone", that's a political ideology stupid peasant commoners like you are easily tricked with by ruling classes.

Incel is a made up word. But you know what isn't? Homeless. The homeless actually are the people you all should be bashing. Let me guess, you're offended by this statement. Billions of dollars are squandered on the homeless annually, they fuck up the streets and smash windows, they're unsanitary, if they ceased existing many people's lives would be improved. Also, get this, the homeless have sex lol.

You'll be relapsing in a few days and I'll be there to kick you when you're down.

 

Women are more slutty nowadays, yes, for sure, but It is hard to argue it is spreading across the sheet, it is limited only to a few men, and it has always been this way frankly.

And the quote that red pilled men "hate" successful men is just not true, it is the other way around: the idolize successful men who are not 100 percent compliant with the feminist/female social order we currently live in. I believe the problem here, and I see this often, is ppl confuse red pill theory, MGTOW, and incels and kind of lump them all in to one as if it was that easy. Be careful not to over-categorize and try keep different fractions apart as far as possible when trying to get to the bottom of smt.

I agree with the general sentiment here that "incels" (rather MGTOW if I read your descriptions) are a bit tiresome in their endless rants about how double standardical, irresponsible and narcissistic modern women are. I agree with these opinons but see no point in dwelling on it, or letting it be told over and over again, once is enough then go back to living your own life the best you can according to your own beliefs and values.

 

You could say it exists. There are men going their own way and, yes, not reproducing or idealizing women as a whole or marriage as sacred. Is it a movement like the terrorists in BLM or Antifa, heavily sponsored by Luke Skywalkers dad, well, I think not since it does not have a goal-driven agenda, it is a mixture of repetetive rambling, whining and hammering in useful points about female nature, that might avoid getting men married yes, but also might prevent them from getting their heart torn apart or getting financially wrecked.

I do not believe it is a coordinated attack orchestrated by Mossad or anything, like you seem to believe, I just see it as simple as a modern selling-point for men stuck in a rutt, since the demand for it is clearly there and has been for quite some time.

 

"99% cannot reach happiness with masturbation in their lives" So who is making up statistics?
"if they are masturbating, they're doing something else instead of what they'd actually like to be doing" Fun fact people with healthy sex life masturbate. For example when they can't meet with their partner for a couple of days. Doesn't make them unhappy in life. People also masturbate with a partner.
Some people stop masturbating after finding a partner but are perfectly okay with their past masturbation experiences. Stand up, find people and ask them. Seriously step out of the nofap bubble. Doesn't make nofap less valid, you just have to accept that other things work for other people.

"Society isn't evil it's stupid, because it's mostly composed of weak minded common people, like you. They make stupid choices, and bad designs."
Yeah sure, you are more clever than everyone else. Typical toxic behaviour.

This is paranoia, conspiracy theory, and off topic. Seriously who talked about the homeless?

WOOW dude, You have problems. And masturbation is definitelly not the worst.
First of all. My private life is not your fucking business. So you can keep your idiotic gloating to yourself.
Second of all, thats pretty lifeless and cancerous to deliberatelly try to kick someone when he is "down". However feel free to kick me, I'm not more vulnerable after a relapse. It just shows how much a lifeless jerk you are.
Third of all, you don't have a huge streak yourself. You are still far from 90 days and 90 days are only the start. So I wouldn't brag about one and a half month of what? "Meeting my goals" which can mean anything.

 

For what it's worth I looked up incel - my only experience with the word prior to this was when the media covered it in relation to the Joker movie. Turns out it was started by a lesbian feminist in either 1993 or 1997, depending on the source you check. However now "Incels are mostly male and heterosexual. Many sources report that incels are predominantly white", says wikipedia.

The characteristics of incels are "characterized by resentment, misogyny, misanthropy, self-pity and self-loathing, racism, a sense of entitlement to sex, and the endorsement of violence against sexually active people."
Then "At least six mass murders, resulting in a total of 44 deaths, have been committed since 2014 by men who have either self-identified as incels"
I don't see how this is a problem with incels though as all these can exist without it, so being "incel" is irrelevant. Ted Bundy, BTK, Charles Manson, and many others weren't incels. Don't fall for the hysteria.

Another thing I'll point out is the Elliot Rodger incident. That isn't incel that is actually a racially motivated killing spree, he mostly killed asian males, he was in effect attacking the asian part of himself. This kind of resentment, although it rarely ends with mass murder, is what can happen to a white/asian son of white supremacist parents, that is, white father with asian mother. Pointing this out is politically incorrect.

 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/249719931_Masturbating_Madness
"As it took on new meanings, it became emblematic of all that was beyond social surveillance, beyond the discipline of the market, all that threatened a well-ordered world. Conversely, the rehabilitation of masturbation in the twentieth century was part of a political movement for a new sexual and a new moral order.Beginning in the 1970s, solitary sex was regarded as a way of reclaiming the self from the regulatory mechanism of civil society and of the patriarchal sexual order into which the Enlightenment and its successors had put it. It became a sign of self-governance and self-control instead of their collapse."

I relapsed twice in a year. I went 192 days on my first try. It says "meeting my goals" because I don't subscribe to the pro-masturbation ideology of this website.

 

You are generalizng without any facts to prove your point: no one talks about "spend all money on Amaon, Netflix and playstation instead" this is all figments of your imagination that fits your locked-down stereotype, and it is definetely a strawman argument.

 

It required no digging.

 

Anyone who reads racist sentiments into every coined phrase and term out there is highly delusional and probably sponsored by Mr. Soros himself

 

So other jerks like you could have used two opportunities to try to break you this year.

what "pro-masturbation ideology?" The most valid setting is without PMO (which stands for no porn, no masturbation no orgasm)

 

I was fooled too, it's actually pro-masturbation, they are just anti-porn. You aren't allowed to put no masturbation, just by itself, in your badge. According to the website people who do nofap do it only "for a time", that is, they stop pmo for 90 days or so, in order to "reboot", then get back to masturbating just without porn.

 

Is this aimed at me? I didn't read anything into it, I quoted wikipedia., and Elliot Rodger, in his manifesto, explicitly said he hated asian men. So I didn't read into it I just read it.

 

Yes, this is fairly legitimate in my mind, and of course every economy is self-sufficient to some degree, and maybe more, but I still believe that MGTOW etc could stand on it's own two feet given the discrepancy in the global sexual marketplace of today which definetely by all means favor women, and at the other side of the spectrum scale down "ordinary" men or boys.

 

Umm why would you want to watch porn, without masturbation? Why would you watch porn (at all,) but without its only purpose?
Since you don't want to watch porn (ever) PM and PMO covers people who don't want to masturbate. (unless you are pro porn, well then wrong forum)
Maybe they write stupid things, but the badge allows you to exceed 90 days without pmo. So its an option to go back. (Well ofcourse who could force you to go back to your old lyfestyle)

 

I don't get it. All the dopamine and stuff comes from the masturbation part right? Porn is just something that goes with it. Before quarantine, when I was in a hostel, there was no access to porn. Then, masturbation was my problem. I used to fantasize and tbh the stuff that went through my head was worse than porn. I don't understand the point of quitting porn if you're just going to keep fapping.

Isn't NoFap just neutral about masturbation? Even if it is, the site's name is still a misnomer.

 

I don't think I want to keep talking to you anymore. We doesn't seem to understand eachother.
I don't know why you are you upset. Most people here use the "PMO" counter. And I doubt they will change it when they reach 90 days.
I doubt that Gary Wilson and the creators of nofap would mind, if you never masturbated after your 90 or whatever number of days. Thus they created the PMO option.
Also, IDK what is your problem with people thinking differently. Some people will go back to masturbation. Maybe they never had problem with masturbation they had problems with porn.
You just can't seem to understand that there are other types of people out there who don't think like you.
Why does it hurt you that someone you don't even know masturbates? It's not your business. If you don't wish to masturbate ever again, noone will force you to do it.

"They want to to quit porn only, that is why there is a setting that reads "No Porn"" Who cares? There are some people who find this to be enough. The question was, why do you need a "doesn't masturbate" button, because PM (doesn't watches porn AND doesn't masturbates) and PMO (Doesn't has any sort of orgasm, and doesnt watches porn) covers it.

"It's still the wrong forum obviously, because it's "forum.DoFap.com". But I didn't know this when I registered here. I took the title literally and couldn't imagine that it means the exact opposite."

This forum encourages you to not masturbate for at least 3 months. Well maybe the oppinion of the creators is that you can masturbate afterwards. But who cares? They cannot force you! There are many members who exceed 90 days of pmo here. So its kind of unintelligent to whine about it.

 

Porn still desensitizes your brain and gives you all sort of sexual disfunctions. Many struggle with random fetishes they wishes not to continue. Thus abstaining from porn is helpful. Plus you are addicted to porn. 3 months is a short period of time. If you can't abstain from porn for 3 months you are addicted. And being addicted to anything is not the most pleasent thing in the world. So keep away from it. It helps.
I doubt only masturbation releases dopamine, being turned on is a positive feeling and porn does it.

Sure, noone claims you should fap, exspecially while you are doing nofap. But if you fail at not masturbating at least don't do it with porn. That helps too. (Softens your relapse).

 

Only masturbation does release dopamine (that's why it feels good). So it can still be addictive without porn. But with porn, it's a monster. Maybe controlled masturbation is ok for some people but I've fapped several times a day, daily even without porn. Maybe it's just me who's messed up but I can assure you that masturbation can become addictive because it does release dopamine. But at the end of the day, it's your choice not to do it or not.

 

There are people who have money, and other things, to gain from the MGTOW and incel identities. You are right about the discrepancy, and we both know it's women who cause that problem not men, that's why gay men don't have to put up with as much bs as straight men do, and since it was the women who were taken out of that equation it's obvious who the problem is, but saying that is politically incorrect because both women and gay men are supposed to be oppressed, which they are not, at least in the USA, and many other places, and anywhere they do face problems it's usually third world countries, which suck for everyone, and it's actually a religious problem not a heterosexual "patriarchy" problem. You can believe all this without being MGTOW or incel. All men need to be taught to think like this and throw out all the Disney brainscrambling that we get since we are kids. Since I've started thinking like this my life has improved and my depression has gone away.

 

The only reason I can come up with for hating incel posts on the internet - and I think incel posts may just be a part of creepypasta - where incel is defined as a male character who rants on the internet about not being able to have sex with women, is that they make the situation worse by indirectly exalting women. I would apply this same criticism to males who argue that a man must improve himself to get a woman, in order to raise himself to the exalted state of women, and become worthy, which is just knight in shining armor nonsense, idealistic Disney garbage.
Alternatively there are males who say to improve yourself without considering females then the females will show up, which is more acceptable, but it is still untrue, since females usually aren't choosing a male for his superiority but for security. Therefore, the correct advice is: stop trying so hard. Never give a woman the impression that you are rising to her level, because that is ridiculous. Would you respect a man who acted like a woman? Would you admire a man who had the physical strength of a woman?
On "improving". You aren't improving, at least directly. Like quiting masturbation isn't an improvement it's an un-degeneration, since you aren't adding something positive you're removing something negative. Stop degrading yourself.