Why the hell is porn legal?

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  1. Ghost79

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    Cool!
     
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  2. Manhill

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    Porn has been banned in Muslim countries I think. As for why it is legal, not everybody has had it become an addiction. And most of who have an addiction never realised it because they don't want to and mainly because others don't see it as a problem. See "Should you watch porn?" Debate on youtube. You can laugh at the dumbass arguments the pro porn side of the debate makes such as "porn is educational" and "porn helps you find your sexuality" when in reality porn is modifying your sexuality into some fucked up shit
     
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  3. PrioritySystem

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    I remember a stupid video that was supposed to be educational where an idiotic voice said about porn, that you could just watch it: ‘no harm no foul!’ And that you should just masturbate as often as you like. How can people be so ignorant, unknowing and unaware of their own life force energy? I don’t understand
     
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  4. Manhill

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    There is a huge community of coomers online everywhere. There is a huge amount of memes online talking about how beating your meat many times a day is a normal thing. Basically people outside are stroking each other's dick. It's only going to get worse from now on, whatever considered as porn 20 years ago is normal now. Best to quit early
     
  5. svwluke

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    Yes, the "satisfaction" of rapists with porn works really great.
     
  6. That depends on where you live. Some places, prostitution (men or women) is legal; some are half-legal; some are illegal. Porn is similar.

    Why are they, or should they, be legal? Here we need to look at success stories, typically in Europe.

    When you ban prostitution or porn outright, what happens? It continues to thrive. We've seen that with alcohol during America's Prohibition, and with the current illegal drugs (the ridiculously-named "war on drugs"). The same is true of prostitution and porn.

    The result is that it's the criminals who decide how to market, whom to market to, what quality they provide, and how to treat their staff. Criminals decide whether to sell drugs or sex to minors; the quality and purity of the drugs they sell; whether to enforce safe sex or not; whether to include non-consensual porn, minors or bestiality; how to treat the staff who create or sell drugs; how to treat the prostitutes who are often under the thumb of pimps (and are often kidnapped or coerced into the industry). It's the criminals who decide how to map out their markets (usually through violence) and how much tax to pay (usually nothing or a trivial amount). When it's illegal, a victim (e.g. a prostitute being raped or otherwise abused) can't even report the culprit to the police, because then the victim is arrested and gets a criminal record!

    When you legalise it, it becomes regulated and under control. Hardly perfect! But way better than outright banning. When we see the results in Europe (legalising sex trade in the Netherlands, or recreational drugs in Italy), the outcomes, while never perfect, are vastly superior to the previous regime.

    This is why it should be legal — but absolutely should be strictly regulated.

    MindGeek (which owns PornHub among others) wasn't regulated. Yes, there are laws against using minors, trafficking, and non-consensual porn, but it wasn't enforced. There are laws against allowing minors to access porn, but again it wasn't enforced. Without enforcement, there's no regulation. The criminals decided who could submit porn (anyone), who could be involved in porn (anyone), whether or not non-consensual sex and trafficking was allowed (yes, it was), and who could access porn (anyone). It was only when the credit card companies took it into their own hands that MindGeek finally acted against "bad" porn and deleted something like 80% of its content.

    Even so, it's still a long, long way from acceptable. MindGeek does only the minimum that it needs to do to satisfy the "regulators", which are currently the credit card companies.

    For example:

    In the UK, gambling dens are allowed. But. To enter one, you have to prove your age; you have to register with the organisation before being allowed in, and there's a waiting period between registration and first entry (well, there used to be; maybe not now. I haven't looked in years). If they figure that you are a problem gambler, they must stop you from gambling. If you realise that you're a problem gambler, you can tell them, and they are required by law to stop you from gambling. (That's not the whole story, because there are loopholes, but you get the point.)

    That is enforcement.

    The same should apply to the sex trade and to porn.

    Porn should be restricted only to validated actors, with strict health-and-safety standards, including checking that the actors are consensual and not coerced. Actors should be given a 24-hour waiting period between signing a contract and acting, during which time they can change their mind. All contracts must allow an actor to cancel at any time, without a reason being required. Porn types should be restricted to sane limits, e.g. pretending that someone likes to be raped should be disallowed. Access to porn should be restricted only to those who can prove their age and identity, and even then be subject to a 24-hour waiting period. If you register with the porn sites that you are a problem porn user, they should ban you from accessing it, and refund any pro-rata advance payment that you might have made.

    Similar arguments apply to the sex trade.

    In short, making porn illegal will simply exacerbate the situation. Making it legal, regulating it properly, and enforcing the regulations, will improve the situation. It won't make it perfect, not by any means, but hugely better than the existing state of affairs.
     
  7. Victor Zsasz

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    its the same case in my country india. crores of my fellow citizens have been addicted to this demon and are finding it really hard to overcome and defeat it even after the government banned all the streaming sites for porn. and all of it is because of vpn .... people are still accessing porn by the use of NORD and are just degrading themselves just as before , unluckily our government isnt putting attention more upon the laws to make porn totally invisible in the nation right now. i hope they do filter porn in our country too.

    nice to meet you sir , hi from INDIA. :)
     
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  8. MeTP

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    My idea and experience is that because western system of being put into chase for money to have basic need fulfilled is so unbearable for the normal, sober human being that governments need to keep some drugs like porn, alcohol, tobacco, coffee and sugar legal to numb people on purpose. Without these drugs, some part of the humanity would go crazy and realize after that in what degrading to humanity and nature is the system we live in.

    After getting really sober (after rebooting from porn) amount of pain and senselessness of most aspects of so called western society that I see is almost unbearable, but I'm learning ways to cope with it still.

    One of the most important signs of getting sober is ones realization of suffering all around - all in all this is the suffering that porn was cover-up for.
     
  9. Demodectic

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    The subject is barely worth discussing because if the govt cant ban torrented movies/tv/games then how will they ban porn?

    And also SHOULD it be banned? Just because there are guys like us that are using it irresponsibly and unable to moderate our consumption? The truth is that there are normal men that just watch porn every now and again and dont fap daily. So just because we have a porn problem here on this sub doesnt mean it should be declared illegal.

    Just because some gamblers are irresponsible and over-bet does that mean the casinos should be closed and the sportsbetting sites disbanded? Should candies and cakes and cookies be banned because some fatsos overconsume and gain 300 lbs?
     
  10. OhWhenThe

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    I don't think it should be banned but education on the potential harm it can cause should be better and it should be as difficult for kids to access as any other drug. The issue though is that there's a broad spectrum as far as what counts as "porn". To me, things like tiktok and instagram are essentially the same as porn but that's a hard view to sell to society. Ultimately it's not going anywhere though and will only continue to grow.
     
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  11. joyjoy311

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    In my opinion age of sexual consent shouldn't be so static, bam 18 years you can do whatever you want.
    First of all, girls at 18 are still in highschool they have no idea of life but yet they get some easy money for sleeping around with guys or having "harmless" onlyfans accounts. Womans and men should be allowed to create explicit sexual content on internet after 5 years of working experience because they finish school, they work, they don't have this easy access to money, some girls are really poor and stupid, for them is a life changing situation to be a cam girl and get 1k dollars in a shithole country.
    Those prostitution houses should have transparent supervising from entities that protect womans, like having access to cameras, something like unions. So they can watch on cameras whats happening inside, health checks, and everything to reduce it to a job if those womans really want to work in a bordel.
    Most important pornography as an industry should be illegal to have a high revenue, the more a website earns the more % you tax on them. So studios that produce porn to be taxed next to maximum so parts involved can't even buy a new car. Money taxed to get invested in children with shit parents, other useless entertaiment industries should be targeted too, like sports
    Sex industry is not regulated at all, it has no limits and the worst thing is being everything legal at 18 where they are still kids, people get mature only after 30 doesn't matter if they have big accomplisments in their 20's. And porn only with milfs wouldn't be so attractive either, practically I find it hard to implement since I know sites that exists with content that should be highly illegal, I mean just give me a job in a police department to be a professional googler, I can find a shiton of websites that distribute disgusting pornography yet those sites still exists, there is no control over them because they are hosted in shithole countries, there should be a constitution of internet or something similar, that can ban domains if they contain bad content, if the owner feels is injustice he/she should go to court and defend how we can find child porn on mega.io or violence or necrophilia or other fucked up shit. Sure he didn't allow it but its still there for download and its his/her responsability to moderate everything. Also I don't see it practically because sites such as pornhub would have to delete terrabytes of porn just because the majority of porn is with girls under 30-25, while small sites will survive just because they are not known by the authorities.
    I think the most practical way would be ISP companies to be forced to split internet into categories and the contractor to be able to ask them to block pornography. Also websites when are put online to fullfill same requirements of categories and strictly be labeled, reviewed by a third party authority whats the intent of the website and checked periodically.
    Pretty sure there are ways but world has bigger problems. Debt, money, pandemics, wars, when porn will be blocked we will be an interstellar species because health of society isn't really a prime concern of our species. Also I suspect porn is the best depopulation conspiracy if there is one regarding depopulation.
     
  12. PatrickBasedman

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    Tricky subject with a lot of ways of looking at it! To me banning wont work, you only have to look at attempts to ban stuff in the past and how that turned out (prohibition in america comes to mind.) Education seems like a better idea, but the average joe seems way behind in understanding why porn is bad for you. Similar thing happened with cigarettes, it used to be acceptable for them to be sold as health products!
     
  13. modernstore99

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    Porn absolutely destroyed some parts of my life and I never want to use it again, but I don't think it should be made completely illegal, and I don't think most of the people in the industry are to blame either.

    It's impractical and forgets the truth about porn: it's not inherently bad, it's just humans usually don't moderate porn usage, especially since most people don't know about it's destructive qualities.

    And while society at large is still pretty pro-porn in my opinion, individuals can have pretty nuanced opinions on it. Once I've had sex with a girl and we ever talk about porn, I always tell them I don't watch it because it makes sex feel better/more connective AND I want to save all my energy/attention for them, and girls love that shit. I even tell girls that want to send me nudes I'd rather not because I don't use porn, and they're usually a little butthurt at first, but it always ups the sexual tension and makes them want to hookup way more.

    People are starting to realize that modern habits are interfering with sexual health, especially men. Guys never talk about their issues, but plenty of women I know talk about how their boyfriends or FWB have ED or not very nice sex. I've told a few about YBOP and rebooting, and they all come back and say it worked really well.

    It's definitely an issue, but it's not destroying society or anything ridiculous like that. Public health emergency? I could get behind that, but making it illegal and putting porn stars in jail is not the move haha. It's good to internalize the fight against porn while rebooting, but don't turn it on people, they made need help like you do.
     
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  14. 88991s

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    I want extreme genre of porn to be banned, because there is nothing educational about it. But I agree porn should be legal and regulated because black markets can't be controlled. Government and people should help educate about the harmful effects of porn use and make programs to help people recover from their addiction. Unfortunately people stigmatize us and yet they are also secretly addicted.
     
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    To be honest, my life was actually destroyed before I discovered porn. I masturbated with pure imagination from 12 to 19. After I discovered porn, I stopped using my imagination and masturbated with porn. I was a loser in the first place
     
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  17. MeTP

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    My lifr has also been highly distorted by only masturbation, before porn.

    Few seconds of pleasure costed me much of my life potential.
     
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  18. zenon27

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    lets face it most watching are underage kids and for a site with such big exposure it should be mandatory to show your Identity card, because lets face it, anybody can lie age and somehow that system is legal even if it traumatizes some very young eyes, nobody gives a fuck, and lets face it medical bill will love you after decades, this shit is all made to kill re-production, genetic will, lower the population and in the end make more people suicidal also because their self-esteem will be fucked royaly
     
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  19. svwluke

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    I think the best option is for internet providers to block porn as a status quo, and if you're over 18 you can call them to unblock it. Would this make it impossible for kids to access porn? Of course not. They drink and smoke even though it's not allowed. But it makes it more difficult at least.
     
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    Just so you know, this is the case in legal prostitution too, at least in the Netherlands. Or at least so it is assumed by some: even though the sex industry is legal, it is still extremely hard to get numbers, as it has stayed a very shady business, with a lot of lies and corruption, and 'workers' unwilling to speak out of fear.
     
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