Why the hell is porn legal?

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  1. I have not justified that. I have never claimed such a thing. All I said was that your claim that porn created prostitution and rape is incorrect. That's all that I said. I completely agree that porn is a serious problem that needs to be solved. I neither said nor implied otherwise. You have read an enormous amount into my words. Please don't do that. You stop lying :)
     
  2. Sir Übermensch III

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    Forced and/or fixed marriage is a form of rape. Also, it could be that rape was so usual or unreported back then that it went unnoticed, it is not something that stays on the records. Why would women report rape back then when some do not even do it today lol.
     
  3. I apologise for misreading you.
    It is true that rape is reported more often now, at least in some countries. The research clearly shows it so.

    It wasn't that long ago when marital rape was made illegal in modern countries, and it's still legal in too many parts of the world.

    On top of that, aggressive policies by lawyers and even (in some places) by police make reporting rape a serious difficulty for women.

    As for men who have been raped, there is a stereotype that men enjoy it, and a large stigma attached to it. If you read some stories of male victims of rape, you'll find that when they talk to their friends about it, they are met with a mix of incredulity and (believe it or not) jealousy. It's weird. But it also means that male victims of rape tend not to report it.

    In support of @LastStreak's comments, we are seeing a large rise in expectation of violence or other "unusual" sex practices, particularly but not exclusively by younger men. Interesting research in the UK has shown an awful change, which seems to have been prompted by extreme porn.

    There is also anecdotal evidence that there is a rise not only in men abusing women, but also in women abusing men.

    We have come a long way, but we still have a long way to go.
     
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  4. Sir Übermensch III

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    Definitely. Pornography...especially explicit sex pornography, hardcore pornography, fantasy pornography and fetish pornography, it twists the minds of the consumers. The minors getting exposed to this have a risk of developing a complete different mindset in comparison to their non-addicted peers when it comes to how they understand and view themselves and their partners sexually, so when they eventually have the chance to act in the real world (sexually) they can have many issues. Therefore yes, pornography does a lot of damage to real life sexual interactions. But when it comes to rape, unless the consumer watches rape porn (which is ilegal even if it is fake I think), I believe that rape is a completely different issue with many layers that goes beyond pornography consumption. I am more of the idea that raptists are sexualy represed people with childwhood traumas, in many cases with severe mental ilnneses.
     
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  5. LastStreak

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    Dude pornography has straight just damaged me in so many ways. I would not even say damaged, more like limited me greatly in every aspect, like in all aspects, the way I deal with people, the way I pursue my goals, like just on some deep ways. But it is 100 percent my responsibility now that I have all this knowledge to do something about it! Nofap isnt about just quitting pornography, no its wayyy more than that for me, its about me actually growing up and improving myself. I havent done much of this right now. But also I believe, part of it is to be ok with the flaws of humans. I do have this weird perfectionism and lack of self esteem about me which instead of me dealing with it by improving myself, I need to deal with it by accepting some realities.

    Also I need to apologize for my aggressive tone lol. The "stop lying!!!" is a bit weird hahaha. I laughed out loud when I saw your:

     
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  6. Sir Übermensch III

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    Absolutely. I am glad you can accept the responsibility and lifestyle aspects of NoFap. That is why my first comment on this thread was aimed at diverting the emotional disturbances some might be feeling, the hate against society and the pornographic industry, without that healing I just do not see anyone being free of this addiction. A forgive but don't forget mentality. The following is not directed to you: downgrading the value of the pornstars lives just to feel that your life is more worth it is not the correct method of action, you are tricking yourself to enlarge your own value without actually changing anything in your life. If society is bad and the pornographic industry is evil who cares, you shouldn't, because there is enough dirt in yourself to clean before doing anything about others. Hope this helps whoever needs to read it.
     
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  7. cleaningupmyact

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    p is legalized pimping and sex trafficking, of course it should be illegal.

    vulnerable people trying to survive with sex work should not be the target. its the PROFITEERS that groom, pimp, coerce, exploit, abuse, and traffic teenage girls and boys that need to be stopped.

    but the prison system is f-ed up in most countries, it has every intention to punish, not heal. "Make y or x illegal" is a lazy band-aid at best. You gotta also change the prison system to include more therapy, rehab, introduction to healthier lifestyle, etc. sex abuse is rampant in prisons, and its part of this whole sick cycle.

    gotta cure the roots and the leaves.
     
  8. Absolutely! PMO is an addiction. As with all other addictions, it's not just about going clean from the addiction, but also sorting out the problems that made you take up the addiction in the first place.

    We can blame porn, just as we can blame nicotine, alcohol, gambling machines or heroin, but they aren't what make us addicted. They're just the mode of addiction.

    Having said that, at least nicotine, alcohol and gambling is easily available only to certain ages. (In the UK, even gambling has a cooling-down period when it comes to casinos; if you haven't already registered with a casino, you have to register and wait 24 hours before being allowed to enter.) Porn, on the other hand, is available any time to anyone with internet access.
    Yes, and worse. Until the credit card companies were pressured into action, MindGeek (via Pornhub) had no problem with sex trafficking, kidnapping, rape, paedophilia, revenge porn, violent abuse, modern slavery, and more. They just don't care.
     
  9. LastStreak

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    Yeah bro, you nailed it with the emotional disturbances part. I have spent a lot of time with anger, sadness, hate, and resentfulness. I do have a lot of anger and hate for society and the porn industry, and I do throw too much blame on those two things often. It is definitely something that one needs to get over it in order to fully heal. Like you said, forgive but dont forget. Dont forget is in the sense of dont play dumb, dont pretend what happened didnt happen, dont forget about the dangers of porn and these aspects of society. However, on the other hand is forget, get over it, know that it is possible to recover, you dont need to be angry and resentful, I can testify that mostly what the anger and resent has done is keep me trapped. This addiction is really, quite a complicated issue.

    One thing I also struggle with is sadness about the whole thing. Like I get sad when I have wet dreams, or get triggered, or have a working sexual function. Like sometimes I just want to escape my sexuality and wish I was asexual. I also almost break down crying when I think about the way porn has changed my brain and sexual preferences. I am just sad that sometimes I think the way I think. This second issue is something I kind of need help overcoming in all honesty.
     
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  10. Akbarmagnus

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    Homosexuality is not a disease and prostitution is just sale/loan of commodity if consenting adults want to indulge in it it's really no ones business. I don't know where you got your research from but if anything pre-christianity prostitutes were much highly regarded than they are now. It was rarer only in the context of rurals societies which made up most of the world but in civilized/urbanized nations such as rome or *greece* in europe for example it was a very widespread and accepted fact of life as was martial rape since women barely had any right and of course rape in warfare was a cultural norm. It declined somewhat during the dark ages but by the 15th century you could find a brothel in almost every city and it was semi-institutionalized, either tolerated in the belief that it prevent more harm such as rape or just accepted as a respectable way to make money. As for the claim that porn increase rape/prostitution you can just as easily find some researches that point one way or another but so far statistics have shown i believe that porn in fact reduce it.
    what about *amateur* porn, should it be illegal too? They don't exploit anyone.
     
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  11. Sir Übermensch III

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    I have felt the same way. Getting rid of the hate and resentment is getting rid of the cloud that inhibits us to see our own mistakes and failures, and that is why it is easy to hate and be resented. We all got to move on and I am glad you see this too, the importance of forgiving and accepting reality. Yes, the sadness is tough, in my case what affects me more is not sadness but disapointment; at myself and life. There is one thing that can help the sadness go away and that is healing, that is exactly why we must quit. Because there has to be healing (emotional, physical and psychological), as it is reported by others who have quitted.
     
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    You've developed a sophisticated understanding of all of this stuff, now where are the limitations of your current understanding? Where are the holes? One potential limitation is that you're making a lot of value judgements on these things based on the worst manifestations of them. Are there instantiations of some of these areas where there are positives? If there are, what is separating the positive instantiations from the negative?

    For example, is there a single porn star who loves their work and lives a healthy, happy life? If there is one who claims they are, you might find yourself saying, "oh well then they must be deluded." How do you know they are deluded? What metric are you using to measure their delusion, and what metric are you using to measure your own delusion? The truth could be that one of you is deluded or, more likely, that both of you are deluded to some extent. No one person is ever 100% truthful or 100% deluded, and so what percentage of your current belief system do you think is incorrect? What percentage of that hypothetical porn stars belief system is incorrect?

    You're clearly very passionate about this stuff, and I respect that. So, if you really want to solve these problems then I would recommend that you develop the bravery to face your own delusion. The less deluded you are, the more you will be able to help cure the delusion of others.
     
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    You are very smart. I do not negate that I have delusion. Rather I affirm it, without a doubt, if I did not have delusion, then I would not be who I am right now, or in this struggle. I will tell you one of the lenses which shapes my view of the world is religion. Of course, another big lense, is this addiction I have, and what effects it has had on me and others. Through these two main lenses in my life, I make my judgements on a lot of this stuff. I think for now I will stop posting on this platform, and try to work on myself for real.

    Your post has kind of woken me up to some of my reality. Currently, I did not brush my teeth today, my room has been messy for ages, I relapsed and binged basically and wasted a bunch of time, I havent worked out, havent been productive with school, etc. I am not sure how to tackle on all the many problems in my life, so that I can acc break free from this. I simply am not a man that I admire in all honesty.

    Nofap to be honest, while it does have lots of benefit, is still a social media platform. And a lot of the negatives that come with social media, also come with this website, in my opinion. And I can say for sure I have suffered from some of these negatives.
     
  14. WildEntheology

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    This is exactly the kind of attitude that will help you overcome this. Good luck!
     
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  15. cleaningupmyact

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    most amatuer p (like 99%) is sold and distrubted without the makers consent and yea...thats a problem.
     
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  16. Akbarmagnus

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    I don't know that porn reduce all the crimes and others behaviors such as homosexuality that you disprove of but statistics so far have shown that states that have adopted the Internet more quickly have seen a greater and faster decline in rape than other states. There too are studies showing that gender equality is higher in states characterized by higher circulation rates of pornography.
    You can see here the numbers speak for themselves (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics) this in itself doesn't mean that porn is mainly responsible for the reduction of sex crimes but your claim that pornography is a "huge driving force behind much of the rape" does not have a basis in reality but it might be true for prostitution even if there are no direct evidence as to whether increased access to pornography increases sex trafficking. A lot of porn is just humiliating women but again if you look at statistics on pornhub for example they show that consumers of porn prefer videos depicting mutual pleasure to violent interactions as for the rest better that they fulfil their fantasies virtually than in real life no? Objective criticism on porn so far can really only be aimed at the industry and maybe for moral purposes rather than criminal ones.
     
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    Porn is legal because it correctly identifies the supply/demand discrepancies regarding the availability of sex. Each person, at least most people in life, have sexual desire. However, not everyone has equal access to sex or to the type of partner they would truly want to have sex with.

    Pornography fills this void.

    Also, pornography is legal because people want pleasure, people want sexual pleasure. The pornography industry correctly identified this demand for sexual pleasure, and technology provided the avenue to bring this sexual pleasure into our homes.

    Moral values don’t really hold much sway over people for a variety of reasons. Things like hunger for food, thirst for water, need for shelter from cold/heat/etc. All of these things are such strong desires that people have no regard for moral values. Sexual desire is in a way almost as strong as hunger/thirst/etc.
     
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  18. I'm not sure that this is the full story. After all, if you have a sexual pressure that needs relieving, but you don't have a sexual partner, you don't have to use porn to masturbate! (A lot of people on this forum seem to think that you do, but that's nonsense. Masturbation hardly started with porn.)

    A far bigger problem, which people on this forum already know, is that porn feeds addiction. The porn manufacturers know this, and MindGeek (among others) have shown that they have zero scruples.
     
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  20. WildEntheology

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    This one always gets me, "you don't watch porn?! Masturbation is healthy though, there's nothing wrong with it at all!"

    Wait...what? Maybe some conflation going on here...
     
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