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Why you Shouldn't Masturbate

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Latinboy32, Jun 26, 2017.

  1. I will win

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    You're just repeating the same argument. Bad things aren't based on subjective views, like killing, stealing and kidnapping. If we were to say that bad things are based on subjective views, then serial killers wouldn't have been called criminals. Bad things are based on their harms and benefits and not just a personal option.

    That's the problem with masturbating, anyone who masturbates, masturbates too much. Everyone that masturbates is addicted to it and they don't give any benefits in exchange. The other things that you have mentioned are essential things and they part from our daily life. And they normally don't become addictions.

    How is imposing my views as universal dangerous?
     
  2. Lheastwoo

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    you are a hypocrite, and you should be disgusted with yourself to say the above statement.
    if you don't see how you are in the message of yours I quoted, then there is no reason to talk to you further,

    excessive exercising can be a form of purging, and people can be "addicted" to purging. just to name one of the huge amount of ways you are wrong.
    google it, hell, if you want factual evidence, google scholar it and see what scientists have to say.

    as for work, people use work as an unhealthy escape all the time, to avoid dealing wish issues in their lives, taking care of people, etc. etc. etc.

    you spout nonsense,
    please get more educated and stop running with your opinions if you wish to contribute quality advice.

    you have no clue what you are talking about and it is obvious and embarrassing for you, please stop.
     
  3. I will win

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    You are trying to act as if you were the wise man here.
    Please, how the hell can someone be addicted to exercising? There might be people who exercises too much, but that has nothing to do with being addiction. Addiction is when you can't control what you are doing.

    There's a difference between being addicted to work and too much work.

    I like how you say please and insult me in the same time.
     
  4. JamesRK

    JamesRK Guest

    I'm convinced this is getting no where, so I'm going to keep this brief.

    Do some reading on ethics or moral philosophy. Some of morality seems to be common sense, but it's a lot more complicated. If you think things are bad based on their harms and benefits, you're probably a utilitarian. However, utilitarianism could be used to justify slavery. (Having a few people miserable for most being happy has a higher benefit that cost arguably.) If you think that those things (killing, stealing, kidnapping, masturbating) are inherently and unquestionable wrong due to a system of rules, you're a deontologist. However, that means that you would oppose killing a dangerous assassin, stealing the his gun, or "kidnapping" him to put him in prison. Morality isn't objective or easy. If you think it is, you haven't thought it through. Also, people are criminals because they violate the law, which is very different than morality.

    This is your personal view and an extreme one at that.

    Diversity of thought is no doubt important. You know who else imposes their views as universal? Totalitarian dictators. However, specific to this context, there are young people who join this forum who are extremely impressionable. For many people, masturbation is never a problem. If you are misguiding them to think that it is without a doubt, you are setting them up to be ashamed of their sexuality. Sexual urges are not bad nor is the urge to masturbate; these are natural urges. It's your choice whether or not to give in, but don't make people feel wrong for having them or making a choice different than yours.
     
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  5. I will win

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    I am planning in the future, what about you? You seems to know something about those things.

    How could utilitarianism be used to justify slavery? And even if it could. How does that make it bad? Can't some people use it for wrong purposes and other people use it for right purposes?

    I didn't say such a thing.

    Yes, I agree, morality may exist. But, when we come to think about killers for example, we will see that all they do is speeding the process up of death of someone.
     
  6. Lheastwoo

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    glad to see someone else who has challenged there thoughts with education.

    This is obviously going no where.

    It is obvious you are not willing to have your view challenged and therefore will consistently fall victim to the pitfalls of your own Ideas (hardly a good plan for the future), your life will be very difficult if you do not challenge your point of view or accept that your view does not need to be imposed on others as fact,

    I'm sure your response will include something along the lines of "that is what you guys are doing".

    We are advocating for respect to an individuals process, even if it is in contrast to our own. Whatever works for someone. The presentation of a given process working for an individual is a personal representation, and is not factual, nor can be blanketed over all others.

    you are stating over and over again that your way is the correct way, and that your views are fact, and seemingly will belligerently deny and ignore any truth or supported evidence far above your simple opinions backed up by by your own personal interpretation and experience.

    In other words, it is a waste of energy to speak to you,

    as Aristotle Quotes, It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

    You have presented nothing opposed to your single, simple, and inaccurately applied view.

    I wish you the best in your recovery. And I hope you find peace in your thoughts.
     
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2017
  7. I will win

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    Oh, dear. Calm down, it's just a conversation. My views becomes facts when they make sense. Not, because I said so.

    You're repeating the same argument, eh?

    I wonder what makes you mad? Is it because I didn't accept what you said? Oh, sorry. You're just another one who thinks that he's the wise man and he is genius and that people need to accept what is he saying. Correct me, if I am wrong.
     
  8. JamesRK

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    This is literally the only reason I'm responding, because you said to correct you if you're wrong.

    This is your problem. This is what we are disagreeing with. Many views can be rationalized – or as you say "make sense" – but that doesn't make them facts. Different political theories, religions, opinions, and scientific theories all "make sense," but it doesn't make them all facts.

    Furthermore, there are some ideas that make sense intuitively but are outright falsehoods. Long ago, it made way more sense to think the world was flat. People claimed it as fact; they were irrefutably incorrect.

    So yes, we are frustrated for you not accepting what we are saying. However, the difference between our argument and yours is that we are telling you that your view is perfectly valid but not the only valid view while your argument discounts every view that is different from your own as incorrect.
     
  9. I will win

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    Could you show me where did you say that? I thought that you were saying that my argument is false and is only a personal view, seems like I misunderstand you, and sorry if I was mean.
     
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  10. HeadAche

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    I agree with @Latinboy32 Masturbation is harmful, nuff said. But at the same time, I would also add ejaculation through sex to the things which could also be harming your recovery or stopping from enjoying the full benefits.
    If you have never heard of it, google semen retention and learn about it.
    I fully endorse it because I've noticed how I feel immediately after having O with sex. During this week of no O, I'm feeling much better, no weak(k)nees during the next day or the week after.
    My 0.02$, to each his own!
     
  11. Lheastwoo

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    exactly.

    last post in this thread.

    Wish you guys the best!
     
  12. MarkTT52947

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    Seems that nothing is abstract and we move things into abtraction not to deal with reality. If you are suffering from porn addiction and compulsive masterbatio, sure the long term goal ought to be to have a rich and full sex life that might include masterbation and casual sex depending on who you are. However, if you have been suffering from porn addition and sex addition, as I have on and off since I was a teenager, you have to retrain your body and your mind to have sexual activity outside of that cycle. For me masterbating since I was a teenager has always been about imagining sex in a pornographic context, not a real context. Stopping masterbation to reorder my sexual thoughts and the personal behaviors that drive them seems reasonable and required, because even when I have the fiction of masterbating in a non porn "healthy" fantasy way, it always leads to the same fantasies driven by the same things that porn is and fits in with that. A couple years ago my wife and I decided while neither was an alcoholic, we had too many problems from drinking regularly. We completely stopped drinking tried to examine the way drinking caused problems, but now can drink very moderately usually only when we have guests or at a wake, and can have a whole collection of wine, champagne, vodka, and other liquor in the closet for such occaisions and not take a drink for months now without problems.


    Whatever you think about this, it helps us all to hear from you and everyone who is trying to fix this even if we do not agree on everything. The first step is the most important step THANK EVERYONE HERE FOR INSPIRING ME.
     
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  13. Former_CD

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    For me masturbation without porn will led to a relapse. I am committed to not jacking off. I will not orgasm unless my wife is involved.
     
  14. The Watcher

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    The point is Masturbation and Porn both are 2 different addiction so when you abstain from both of them in the same time it can be so difficult that's why many people relapsed in the long run because they connected masturbation with porn however masturbation alone has its benefits ( if you are single ) but you don't need to over do it
     
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